Should we name no shows and timewasters?

[one eyed jack]

No 33 is interesting too. Seems there is truth to the rumour but ssshhh!

Hey she even denied slapping me across the face for no apparent reason (and I had 3 witnesses) She was coked out of her wits and then tells me in an email she did no such thing despite the fact I was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol like she was

Oh and thats not libel because its true.

[one eyed jack]

Ha ha..Nice try Paul.

Does this mean that people dont really care to know then?

Seems more people are moaning about producer let downs (not established ones of course)and model no shows a lot more these days

As a producer, would you like to know before you booked that size 8 corset for the model you wanted was actually going to turn up on the day to warrant the expense of this and the cost of the location etc

Or models: would you like some guarantee that serial time waster amateur who shoots for his own private collection is actually going to turn up and not let you down because you told him he couldnt wank while filming?

[paul jones]

On AIR I allow comments. And right of reply.

If a pattern seems to be evident I sometimes remove people.

If people seem to get their act together, the slate is cleaned.

People who abuse the comments system get their future comments dumped into moderation, then usually deleted.

Seems to work.

But then AIR isn't a forum. If I was running a general popular forum, I'd adopt BGAFD rules for all the reasons BGAFD do.

[one eyed jack]

What if you are part of a producers forum Paul?

I'd say its within producers rights to know as much as possible if a model is unreliable, a liability, a nutter as much as it would be a models right to know if a producer is the same.

[Ron T. Storm]

Goes both ways. I have several model friends that have been more screwed over that togs.

Without naming names:

Model confirms in morning that shoot is going ahead and then spends 100 quid and a days travel to get to location that is well out of place and suprise, suprise the tog doesn't show.

It works both ways and I now see that models have more shit happening to them than the other way around. Maybe I missed something on this post but we need to name and shame certain 'producers' who, at the end of the day are getting their jollies off over the phone talking to the model.

[Benson_Media]

Carder wrote:

> Good idea there Benson, but until you shoot every UK girl, that
> list is going to be a drop in the ocean.
>
> Besides, it's based on your personal experiences, which brings
> my back to my original point of the fact that the act of
> no-showing is not consistent so therefore you can't always
> brand a model as a serial no-shower.

But that's my point. If ALL producers just put up a simple page like I have you'd be able to cross-reference and see if a particular model has just had one of those off days..or is a waster.

I agree - my opinion alone isn't worth a great deal. But collectively, it would be useful for producers to share info in a simple manner.

[Benson_Media]

Be-Seen-Here wrote:

> This is true, early this year a very well known model cancelled
> the night before a shoot with a lame excuse. Too late to
> cancel the location.
> So I just thought well I shan't bother with her again, later
> this year I did re-arrange and she turned up and it was great.
> Just this week number 12 on Bensons list cancelled 15 mins
> before the shoot knowing I'd got a 3 hour each way journey so
> my opinion of her would be the mirror image of his but another
> very well known photographer was also let down by her at the
> last minute and other reports on other sites also show last
> minute let downs. My experience has just contributed to the
> knowledge base that exists about her, so I guess what I'm
> saying is you get a more accurate picture looking at all the
> different sources of info that exist out there than just having
> it in one place. Benson did make me genuinely LOL with number
> 43 though, spot on.
>
>

Which is why Carder is right..and I'm kind of right. If we as producers share info, albeit in maybe a bit more adult way in which I've displayed mine (but it helps to vent!) then we'd have an overall picture of a models reliability.

We can get an 'average' view of a models performance arrived at from several opinions.

Let's call is the 'Benson Rating'

Yes 43. I'm not too sure what to make of her. To give her credit I thought she'd walk after an hour..but she toughed it out. Good kid.

12 is normally reliable. We've shot her three times but she didn't make it to our last block shoot. I think she has 'bimbo moments' which in my book is not a crime.
She was 8/10 rated but I docked a point.