Should I be allowed to work for other companies?

[justickleme]

Dont let the b*stards get you down.

Good luck and let us know what the outcome is.

[PipKelly]

UglyDaz wrote:

> Okay, let's look at what's actually been said here:
> "I recently started shooting for an amateur company which
> are saying that in order to keep their amateur status are
> telling me not to film or model with anyone else"
> You have not old us of the website so we can't check to get our
> facts straight but if he website promises amateur faces that
> appear elsewhere then they are perfectly in their rights to ask
> you to work nowhere else... The request may seem a little
> restrictive but if that is what they promise their customers
> then they have to keep that promise or risk getting chargebacks
> (refund demands).
> It seems that they have been straight and simply laid out their
> requirements with you. Fro what you've said they haven't
> demanded anything, threatened anything or asked you to sign
> anything. They have just made it clear that if you do anything
> that might raise your status from amateur then they will not
> work with you again.
> Suppose you had worked with a company that traded on material
> with girls that were brunettes - and nothing else. They would
> be in their rights to remind you not to turn up for work blonde
> or they might be in breach of their own promise to their
> customer-base. Suppose the site dealt with a certain breast
> size? and you came back to them with an augmentation or
> reduction - anything that would reasonably put you out of the
> running for work on that site... what then?
>
> The fact is that nobody likes to be told that they shouldn't
> work for who they please but in the amateur-site market this is
> a common occurrence. Personally I would test the water to see
> if there was enough work out there to justify the risk of
> breaking-off from these people and try to come to some
> agreement with them. If they think you are messing around with
> them then they may just drop you but who knows?
> Either way they have a right to ASK you to fit the description
> of model required by them.
> You have the right to say no.
> imho.
>
>


Thank you for your post,

I definitely agree with what you are saying. I am currently in the process of seeing what other opportunities are available to me before i ruin my chances with the current company, and am left with no work at all!

Thanks again,
Pip x

[PipKelly]

Just to let you all know,

I am not including the name of the company as I'd prefer not to shoot myself in the foot way before i decide to go with someone else or in fact stick with these guys.

Pip xx

[jimslip]

What a load of tosh|! Are they offering you a retainer to stop you working from anyone else? Of course not, they are doing in legal terms what is often described as, "Taking the piss!"

I take it they are saying that if you work for anyone else you then cease to be, "Amateur" and have becomes as if by magic, "professional". So in other words any model's career must start and end with these people...........what bollocks, do what you like and work with whom you want!

[clare40dd]

well said !

[PipKelly]

jimslip wrote:

> What a load of tosh|! Are they offering you a retainer to stop
> you working from anyone else? Of course not, they are doing in
> legal terms what is often described as, "Taking the piss!"
>
> I take it they are saying that if you work for anyone else you
> then cease to be, "Amateur" and have becomes as if by magic,
> "professional". So in other words any model's career must start
> and end with these people...........what bollocks, do what you
> like and work with whom you want!
>
>

Hahaha!! Thanks for the response, you make a lot of sense and since posting i've had a fair amount of offers for work so I'm just going to do what I like.
My worry was i wouldn't get anymore work but i think i'm just going to have to go for it!!

Thanks again!
Pip xxxx

[belfast_birty]

It looks like this 'amateur film company' are amateurs in other respects(eg contractual) as well.Severeal things you can do:

aa.Anounce that you have turned professional and employed a lawyer to check any 'contracts' prior to signature.If necessary demand a blank copy of their 'model release form' and have it checked.However,it may be a case of payment against documents,for your shoot with them.I'm a bit in the dark here.

bb.If you have signed any model release with this 'amateur' company,check it in detail-even if signed.I would doubt that there would be any exclusive terms in it,save perhaps for the images/film that they may have taken at your shoot with them.I assume you got paid?

cc.Depending on how things go,consider getting advise from other models,on paperwork.

[Daz Savage]

There's plenty of work out there for you but the best way to make a living is to run your own website. It makes you money whilst you are asleep, doing other jobs, on holiday or just sitting on your arse watching Eastenders (like every other model in the UK - they all watch it, trust me... oh yes, and Corrie too.)
Basically get yourself a 'togger and build the site asafp.
Trust me on this.

[paul jones]

Good idea BUT....

A lot of these schemes fall apart because either the tog isn't good at promoting OR the model doesn't put enough time into shooting for the site, (often expects fast money, it isn't).

You need to know that someone is going to promote/market it, and you need to keep it updated on a regular basis.

If in partnership with the tog/promoter you'll probably end up with a 50:50 deal or such, which is fine IF they hit targets, and these should be agreed in advance, so that you can sack them. E.g "If income after 12 months is less than Xpm, all rights in everything - site, domains, material reverts to Model, who must be given all materials, passwords etc".

Any tog/promoter unwilling to agree to such terms should be avoided - those who know what they doing will just want to discus what X will be, and will want to impose conditions of their own, such as "model must shoot 2 full days a month, to include GG and BG scenes" to ensure that you are committed to the site re creating content, and thus will give them the chance to generate the money. They will also lay down "minimum requirements" re content that they need in order to launch the site.

One option is to work on your own content from now - partner videos you solo, mate films you and your partner, you do content share with other models. This will give you a library of "unseen early" material that will really turn your fans on when you later get a site.

Have fun.

[baddesign]

Pip

100% agree & support with posts that you should be in control of who you work for.

Would you email privately on bad.media@gmail.com as I have some work for you.
Cheers
Russ BD