Attn: All UK models and producers

[one eyed jack]

I'm a big boy James not bond.

I can handle myself with criticisms if necessary but what really gets me is how a simple thread about putting certs online could have gone this way .
If anyone read the link, I was just canvassing for opinions, how it was going to be done wouldve been dealt with pending the response.

So far it looks like its going to be a wash out with people not wanting to participate by specualting there is going to be details other than just a cert online. Where did I say that there was going to be personal data???

Is it any wonder why the UK porn industry is so shit if people have a shit attitude towards doing anything positive about it?

I would welcome your views and wouldnt see it as a personal attack on me.

I'm fine. Im disease free anyway. What about you? !happy!

[Andy Mann]

I already said it was all down to models agreeing to work with each other in the first place Terry..If the guy agreed to work with the girl even though she didn't have her current tests then so be it, that will always happen as Harry pointed out so it defeats the object of having this agency that holds everyones current certs doesn't it? And as you said Terry you are dealing with two consenting adults who you would hope are educated and informed enough to make their own decisions on the day as to wether or not they are happy to work together, if they aren't then they can walk away and not do it right? As I said from the start..the onus is on the individuals who are having unprotected sex, not the producer, they are there to make a movie not hold everyones hand and educate them on the risks of having unprotected sex right?

[James not Bond]

Terry wrote:

'I'm fine. Im disease free anyway. What about you?'

Yeah, I'm ok Terry, thanks for asking.

On a separate note, did you get my email that I sent earlier?

[marcusallen]

As I said on another forum, the amount of opposition to any new idea or system is unbelievable.
Instead of opposing everything, why don't some of you just go along with it - or just keep your fucking mouths shut.

[one eyed jack]

Thanks for the back up Marcus.

I was starting to sweat. !happy!

Or maybe its just me. Maybe if someone else came on here they may get a better response? Is this the case?

I'm not pretty enough? I dont look cute popping gum and wearing pigtails perhaps?

Or is it because I make porn films and therefore must be a bit of a div? What is it?

[one eyed jack]

Andy wrote:

"I already said it was all down to models agreeing to work with each other in the first place Terry..If the guy agreed to work with the girl even though she didn't have her current tests then so be it, that will always happen as Harry pointed out so it defeats the object of having this agency that holds everyones current certs doesn't it?"


Er no it doesnt Andy. it reinforces the need for it to be in place because if it was. all I would have to do is look it up online right there and then. peace of mind.

This opposition to the idea is not very progressive. I was just canvassing on behalf of someone to see if it was worth looking into further and taking it on as a project.

So far it looks like it might not be worth it if everyone is putting up so much resistance to just the idea of it.

[Harry Hardon]

I have no opposition to the idea - I strongly believe Terry (OEJ) should be applauded for raising this issue / concern and volunteering to implement a solution which could help everyone.

However, I just question the integrity of the data given some of the people making comments involvement in adult activities outside of the movie world.

I also would hate to see Terry spend time and month setting up such a system which models and modelling agencies undermine by their actions outside of the movie business.

In order for this system to work, everyone would have to work together and in the short term in would affect some people, the long term it would benefit the industry.

Yet given this is an industry were people will compete and sometimes do anything to get ahead.

I have no solution and no idea what to do but welcome anyone who comes up with a solution to this issue.

HH

[one eyed jack]

Harry if you look at it in the present system, the same problems you describe will still apply anyway.

By having it on line would meant its authenticity would be verified and backed up. Thats all.

We cant be accountable for how people conduct themselves in their own private lives.

Furthermore when you get models turning up to shoots having lost or forgotten their paperwork it means the show can still go on.

Some clinics would not be cooperative with this kind of information and I have heard of a fantastic story where one performer had a fake conversation with his "clinic" on the phone.

It seems more producers, outside of UKAP are expressing interest in this so what is everyone going to do if satellite stations and high end companies want to put this in force?

Will you be content working with amateurs?

There is no other data required other than your certs. So what is the problem? So a hacker knows you havent got HIV. Whoopee

What is a hacker going to do with this information that any producer and performer wouldnt?

If this goes ahead and becomes mandatory, then I can see the industry being splintered by who works on a regular basis versus those who dont.

Thats an observation. Not a threat.

Its been in effect already for many years in the US and no one objects to it because you have to be part of it to work for a lot of companies and I'm sure it doesnt stop some US porn stars from doing the things they do in private like scoiring drugs and doing heroine or whatever some of them do.

The UK is nothing compared to what goes on in the US. Why is this being met with so much resistance?

[Andy Mann]

I for one haven't 'resisted' any of your suggestions Terry, I have just raised my valid concerns as a performer who works regularly and has never had a problem with the current system, that is all I am saying, so although not opposed to the idea I just cannot see it working and my opinon seems to be met with incredulity for raising my concerns (and I am not the only one if you read the thread) and not saying its a fantastic idea! lol..If you really are trying to represent the U.K Industry then you have to deal with the people who work in the industry and take on board everyones opinion not just the people who agree with you..

[one eyed jack]

In that case Andy I only see two objections.

You and Harry.

Ive taken your points on board but it seems a lot of producers like this idea and a lot of models (ok about a dozen so far).

As I said this has been in th eoffing for a few years now but with the current climate of fake certs, chlamydia and gonorreah outbreaks it seems more people than not want it in effect bu tlike Sandie said earlier, no one could be arsed to make it happen.

Of course I was going to be surprised.

If you are happy the way it is then so be it.

Lets end this thread now then moderator.