Peer will not face child sex abuse charges...

[David Johnson]

"I suspect the dementia thing was a smokescreen to get the prosecution dropped, and it worked."

Well, four medical experts came to the same conclusion and he was diagnosed with dementia back in 2009 so it is not a last month kind of thing.

" I'm not sure how they could establish later that the dementia was self-induced, I imagine the charge has been dropped for good and the case is now closed. "

If he is spotted walking to a specific location by himself and sitting down to have a gin and tonic with his mates in the local pub and chatting perfectly normally, it wouldn't do his case much good. Cases can and are reopened if the circumstances arise.

"You sometimes get people who are too unwell to be tried. In the case of phychotic people, that is not what Janner is but I'll use this example as a parallel, they get put in a mental hospital like Broadmoor. So this confirms that even if someone is very unwell indeed and possibly wouldnt even grasp what was going on in the Court, they can still be banged up". So if someone doesn't have all their marbles they could still be tried surely - whether it's dementia, a phychotic issue, or whatever. I think its unfair that Janner has got off, particularly as the victims of sexual abuse are usually scarred for life".

Its a bit more complex than that. If someone commits a crime like walking up to a bloke in the street and killing them for no reason, then an assessment will be done to see if they are fit to plead. If they are judged not fit to plead e.g. they hear voices all the time and they would not have had a clue what is going on in court, that does not mean they are just released back into the community to do it again. In that situation there would be a study of the evidence and if it is shown that the schizophrenic say, had committed the murder there would probably be a court order to hold the murderer in a secure mental hospital.

In the case of Janner, it was decided that he was not fit to plead due to severe dementia and that unlike the example I give of a schizophrenic, there was no chance of Janner reoffending. That is why no charges were brought and he wasn't banged up, whereas in my example of the schizo they were.

None of this negates the fact that this bloke should have been charged decades ago and given a lengthy jail term.

[Essex Lad]

Where is the most dangerous place in Britain?

Between Keith Vaz and a camera lens.

[Essex Lad]

max_tranmere wrote:

> I wouldn't think the 'Jewish lobby' had much to do with this, I
> suspect Freemasonry as I've said.

I suspect the Jewish lobby has a lot to do with it since in the past every time Janner was accused of anything he played the Semitic card and made it look like an attack on him was an attack on Jews in general and those who died in the Holocaust specifically.

[Porn Baron]

Don't see why he can't be brought to justice as this guy was?


A DEVON man has been found guilty of abusing six under-age girls in a trial held in his absence at Exeter Crown Court.

Jurors yesterday unanimously found that Michael Collingwood, now 69, of Tedburn St Mary, near Exeter, committed 23 sex offences, including raping one girl.

Judge Paul Darlow instructed the jury to formally enter not guilty pleas to the other six sex offence allegations.

Jurors heard the trial in Collingwood's absence after being told he suffers from severe dementia.

The jury forewoman, giving her verdicts, was required to say she found Collingwood "did the act charged" rather than being "guilty", due to him not standing trial.

They were told, after the verdict, that he is currently in hospital under a Mental Health Act order, and his future will be decided at a further hearing.


He repeatedly abused six under-age girls in the 1980s and 1990s.

Investigating officer Detective Constable Wendy Fuller said after the verdict: "I want to pay credit to the immense bravery shown by the victims in coming to court and reliving the most traumatic experience of their childhood and beyond.

"I sincerely hope the result at court today will help them to somehow repair the considerable damage this depraved individual has caused."

The court heard police investigated allegations involving four of the girls, in the 1990s, but the case was not brought to court.

A fresh investigation was launched last year after allegations were brought to light involving two other girls.

Collingwood called the rape victim a "good liar", during that investigation.

[JamesW]

max_tranmere wrote:

> "Friends in very high places"
>
> Indeed. Perhaps we should all join the Freemasons. Imagine how
> many doors it would open and how many things that would
> otherwise happen to us now wouldn't happen.


You'd be very disappointed.

Your views about the freemasons are silly fantasies.

People don't join the freemasons in order to protect alleged sex offenders and the masons would have no interest in doing that. They would actually be the last people to offer protection to an alleged sex offender.

The Leicestershire police who conducted a 2 year investigation into Janner are said (like many other police forces) to be heavily dominateed by freemasons. So if your thinking is correct that the freemasons wished to protect Janner, why did the Leicestershire police spend so long investigating him? And why are they now complaining about the decision not to charge Janner? Surely they should be celebrating?

[max_tranmere]

I've never suspected the Jewish lobby as being involved in underhand things, the only times you really hear about them is when anti-Semitism in on the rise, muslim's attacking Jews, that sort of thing. With the closing of the ranks that went on with the Westminster paedo's in Dolphin Square, Cyril Smith, et all, I've always suspected Freemasonry involvement in getting powerful, well connected, society people off.

[max_tranmere]

I'm not sure about Leicestershire Police, maybe they were investigating him just for show, knowing full well it would fall flat at the end. I'm not a huge conspiracy theorist, but I've often viewed freemasons as being there to protect their own. Why are so many senior Police figures in the freemasons otherwise? I'm certain the Westminster paedophile ring which involved Cyril Smith and other big wigs, and where mid-ranking Police were told by senior Police officers to drop the case, was because of freemasons protecting their own.

[max_tranmere]

If he is spotted walking to a specific location by himself and sitting down to have a gin and tonic with his mates in the local pub and chatting perfectly normally, it wouldn't do his case much good. Cases can and are reopened if the circumstances arise."

I hope they would reopen the case and do him if he was spotted hanging out in the local pub or walking his poodles in the local park. He is either genuine about the dementia, or hoodwinked everyone and will now have to spend the rest of his life indoors - or when he goes out will have to be pushed around in a wheelchair and assume the look of a zombie.

"Its a bit more complex than that. If someone commits a crime like walking up to a bloke in the street and killing them for no reason, then an assessment will be done to see if they are fit to plead. If they are judged not fit to plead e.g. they hear voices all the time and they would not have had a clue what is going on in court, that does not mean they are just released back into the community to do it again. In that situation there would be a study of the evidence and if it is shown that the schizophrenic say, had committed the murder there would probably be a court order to hold the murderer in a secure mental hospital."

I think then there is scope for banging up Janner, he would not need to be aware of what is going on in Court and when banged up he would need nursing care, but he could go down. Theresa May has said today she is angry that he has not been tried.

"In the case of Janner, it was decided that he was not fit to plead due to severe dementia and that unlike the example I give of a schizophrenic, there was no chance of Janner reoffending. That is why no charges were brought and he wasn't banged up, whereas in my example of the schizo they were."

In my view even if there's zero chance of reoffending the person should still be punished just like someone who has a high chance of reoffending.

"None of this negates the fact that this bloke should have been charged decades ago and given a lengthy jail term."

Agreed. With Theresa May being very angry about today about the decision not to prosecute Janner, I hope there is an enquiry into why. Go back 26 and Janner was fit and able, he may still be fit and able and just putting this on, but he was certainly fit an able then. The CPS make a lot of mistakes and are largely incompetent. I speak from experience.

[max_tranmere]

Keith Vaz is a tool, I don't think any MP has a list of controversies on their Wikipedia page as long as his list. It takes an age to read through them all:

[David Johnson]

Interesting link. I can only guess that because this bloke is 20 or so years younger than Janner, it was thought that he could still represent a risk to young kids, hence his detention.