Chilling reading

[Deuce Bigolo]

Officer Dibble wrote:

> "Suicide is a major public health problem and accounts for 1.5%
> of the total cost of disease to world society," said Jose
> Bertolote, mental health specialist at the WHO.”
>
>
> Was a bit put out by the tone of the article – there was an
> undercurrent, an agenda, a received wisdom that people who take
> their own lives are mentally ill. This may be true in many
> instances, but certainly not all. Many people kill themselves
> because they find the life they have intolerable. Maybe the
> gods have DNA have played a particularly cruel joke on them –
> maybe they are particularly unattractive, inadequate and/or
> stupid, so much so that they cannot have self respect and take
> part in the social intercourse most of us take for granted -
> Imagine the mental aguish. You see a fabulous, gorgeous, girl,
> you want her, but you know you could never, ever, get a girl
> like that (or any girl) because you are a small, ugly, moron.
> If you are not blessed with the tools to compete a reasonable
> level in our society, be it social or economic, you're going to
> have a pretty miserable time. Some people in those situations
> decide that they are simply not going to stand for it any
> longer, and they bail out. They are not imaging they have
> problems; they do, and consequently, they are not mentally ill.

Living in a bad enviroment with serious external pressure is going to make a person seriously depressed

The trigger that turns these seriously depressed individuals into committing suicide is the chemical imbalance in the brain-FACT


>
> Then there are the people that have gotten themselves into a
> tangle. Maybe gotten into irredeemable debt, murdered someone
> (for whatever reason) or maybe they are being bullied or
> tormented. These people are not imaging these problems – they
> are real, they do have them, which can mean that life will be
> pretty unpleasant from then on. They choose not to stick around
> and face them. Killing oneself before one can be sent to
> Strangeways for 30 years seems an entirely rational and
> understandable course of action in my book.


> Of course what we see here is the middleclass, socialist/BBC
> agenda – they don’t want to face the fact that some people are
> so intrinsically crap that they themselves decide there is no
> point in entering the rat race. They don’t want to face the
> fact some people who fall at one of life’s (metaphorical)
> hurdles and injures themselves, will be in so much pain that
> they decide put themselves out of their own misery.


>
> Officer Dibble

[Officer Dibble]

Oh, do grow up mart. Whenever the debate is not going your way (which is usually the case) you resort to name-calling and associated schoolyard silliness.


Officer Dibble

[Officer Dibble]

"I speak from the perspective of a single 28 year old man"

Seems to be a lot of 28-year-old chaps on here tonight.

But yes, look at Hawking. His physical predicament is dire, but he is driven forward by a burning desire, a desire that transcends physical discomfort and vanity, a desire to unlock the very secrets of creation and existence. Something that is far bigger (in comparison) than our banal, everyday, cravings, posturings and ambitions. What he is pursing is so big, so profound, so exiting, that he doesn?t seem to have had time to notice, or focus, on the awful motor neurone diseases that has crept up on him.


Officer Dibble

[The Last Word]

As you mention, suicide can stem from a number of things. One of them being depression - which is now actively encouraged to be seen as a mental illness. So are phobias, neuroses, and other, more physically-related manifestations - bulimia, say, and the increasing (and alarming) occurence of self-harm amongst young people. What they are trying to do by bandying this particular label around is to take away the stigma surrounding it, so the treatment for it can be seen as necessary and relevant as those for physical illnesses. Other benefits could be improved doctor-patient relationships, and an easier reintroduction into society for those recovered.

That's the idea, anyway - though putting some of the above mentioned into the same bracket as schizophrenia could be seen as doing more harm than good, especially at social level. Counting on our modern society to respond in kind brought us care in the community, didn't it.

[Deuce Bigolo]

When you see articles like this you really wonder when Joe public has

(1) the Education to understand or
(2) enough compassion to see past theperceived Risks



Just like the fear which is still associated with HIV & AIDS I doubt it

Differences are still shunned at every given opportunity

Its a very shallow & selfish world we live in

cheers
B....OZ

[mart]

Ooohhh, touched on a raw nerve then have I? What name calling was that then Dibble? If the cap fits etc.

Mart

[RetroDon]

I don't know how it can come as a suprise that so many people choose to take their own lives, given the current state society is in.
The present climate of non-stop fear and hatred, fuelled by the media and the politicians in their quest for absolute power, is enough to make anybody question "what's it all for?"
The media are guilty of ramming non-stop misery down the throats of those that read newspapers, watch tv and listen to radio, which leads many people to have guilt trips about things they have no part in, and can do nothing about. The Chechen massacre at the moment is just the latest in a long line of tragic incidents brought about solely by politics (as are most incidents) yet we have the consequences rammed down our throats as if there is something WE can do to stop it! Now, having realised the game a while back, these things no longer have an effect on me, but looking roud I can plenty of people who have been affected by what the media is force-feeding them. I hear of folk who have lost sleep over these things, things that they have played no part in and can do nothing about.... what state of mind is this breeding???
People feel out of control of their feelings and their lives, and this is creating the "Prozac People" that the article was aiming at.
And what of the thousands who commit long-term suicide by over-indulging in drugs, booze, cigs and food?? Is this any different in the long term than someone snapping one day and jumping/ODing?hanging etc??

[Ben Jones]

For a good examination of how the media uses fear to sell shite, have a look at Bowling For Columbine, the Michael Moore documentary.

[Officer Dibble]

Yes, the media has a lot to answer for - particularly the trash media, which totally distorts reality in order to make a banal story more exciting for the chavs. This has huge knock on consequences for the agendas and issues (which are usually none-issues) that come to the fore of the public arena. A hypothetical example might be a day when there is not much happening in the world that would be of interest, or be comprehensible, to the chavs. One might imagine a scenario where Posh & Becks might have decided to stay indoors, Jordan might have decided to take a night off from being a lairy, drunken, slapper, Channel 4 might have suffered a pang of intellectual conscience and social responsibility and cancelled 'Big Brother'. Yes, it is difficult to imagine, but still possible.

So anyway the trash media would still need some easily digestible bollocks to write about. There would be no fear of them doing the decent thing and shutting up shop for the day. So, they might hype up some tedious little porno related story (chavs can understand porno and it might hold their attention for a full minute) give it a huge 'Vile, Shock, Horror'! headline, adopt a pompous, sanctimonious tone, suggesting they are doing their civic, moral duty, in highlighting said non-issue, and as part of their editorial bluster, demand government action on the issue.

So, even though everyone with half a brain knows 'the issue' is a none-issue, the government will feel compelled to act to placate the mindless mod that is being whipped up by the tabs simply to sell more papers on a slow 'news' day. The consequence of that are further erosions of our freedom and civil liberties. But hey, that quite suits the government. All the better to control and dictate to it's bovine, supine, citizens.


Officer Dibble

[Ben Jones]

Dibble 4 PM!