EU and UK age verification for debit card joins

[Garry]

Hi everyone
A couple of days ago I received an email from CCBill asking me if I want to turn on their new option of a soft decline for people wanting to join my UK site, so that I can sort out getting a copy of their ID to keep on file. CCBill seem to think it is now a legal requirement to have ID on file for debit card joins in the EU.
Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks.

Garry

[rgb]

It's an ATVOD rule. Keep up! !happy!

[Garry]

Thanks rgb

Yes I am obviously a bit behind. Didn't know anything about it until CCBill informed me. Seems like they don't know much about it either. Would you care to enlighten me more? Thanks.

Garry

[rgb]

I don't know if you are ATVOD registered, but if you have videos on your site and "editorial responsibility" is in the UK, you need to be registered with them. If you are not registered, they will eventually catch up with you.

When registered, one of the things you have to do is stop children seeing anything at R18 level which means you can't have explicit stills or video in your tour area. For the same reason they don't want under 18s being able to get into your members' area. ATVOD accept credit cards as being an adequate barrier because you have to be over 18 to have one, but CCBill also accept debit cards, so ATVOD say you must have another form of age verification when someone tries to join with a debit card because under 18s can hold them.

Yes I know it's all bollocks because kids can see anything they want on tube sites etc. but it's the way it is now.

[Welshmorph]

And now you've posted on here ATVOD will definitely catch up with you.

Morph

[Garry]

This is all news to me. Seems like I have more catching up to do than I thought.
I do have explicit images in the tour but then so do lots of other similar UK sites. I obviously need to contact ATVOD and look into this.
So does this really mean that anyone with an adult site has to hold copies of ID from people joining via a debit card?

I agree this does smack of the usual bollocks. Thanks for your reply and the appreciated enlightenment although it seems I need a bit more enlightenment:).

[rgb]

I get the feeling ATVOD are still making a lot of this up as they go along.

I don't know if this initiative from CCBill has been passed by ATVOD for approval. The general principle is that you have to show ATVOD you do your best to stop under 18s joining - I've not heard anything about keeping age records for your customers!

I can't see this working anyway. If you get the urge to join a porn site, you usually want to then and there! I can't imagine anyone wanting to send their ID to a porn webmaster !laugh!

[Welshmorph]

The main thing is having videos on your site. As you do you will have to pay a yearly fee to ATVOD. I'm gonna presume you haven't made ?50,000 + in the last year with your site so you will have to pay ?145 for this year.

You can no longer offer a payment method that allows debit cards, phone billing etc. It has to just be credit cards that you must be 18 to own.
Epoch will set you up just to accept credit cards. CCBill have come up with this idea now. No idea if they have discussed it with ATVOD and whether ATVOD will accept it.
No debit cards, phone billing etc means a large chunk of potential customers are taken away thanks to lovely ATVOD.

You also can't show explict content outside of the members area on your paysite.

Morph

[andy at handiwork]

I hope the young people of Britain are grateful for this protection.

[Garry]

This all very interesting if a bit silly and a bit annoying. I personally don't have a credit card now just debit cards. Perhaps I should try to join a couple of UK sites to see if I can with my debit card.
Thanks for the info and help anyway.