2257 Help ?

[ehagogo]

Hi,

I produce my own content and need to find out few things regarding the 2257 record keeping requirements, the sooner the better as I'm currently working and want to make sure my content wont be worthless in years to come !

I know we don't have to comply, being in the UK but for many reasons its better to.

1) Can anyone tell me where I can get / download a 2257 model release ?

I have been given this link to download one -

http://www.ounique.com/site/modelreleaseHD.htm

.. I don't think its ideal as it has Ounique.com written on it.. any views ?

2) Also is one copied form of picture id acceptable ? this can be photocopy or photograph right ?

3) Regarding the models details - can you hide the models address and personal information on the copy's of id's ?

I personally don't want to get girls in trouble and with other work I'm currently doing being in a country where making porn is illegal i am very concerned about this.

So a big question is -

Can i say i comply with 2257 if I'm not prepared to show any girls addresses on the copy's of photo id ?

I understand the rest of it about past stage names and all, I really need to know what documents / photocopy's are an absolute must to come away with from a shoot ?

Any help much appreciated,

Thanks

Hyde

[Jock Strap]

As far as I understand it...it is enough to simply hold the records (copy of 2 ids and model release) for legal purposes. Obviously you would never display these records openly or hand them over to just anyone.
As new 2257 regs will require secondary producers (affiliates, tgp owners etc. to also hold these records you would have to make them available to them...)
I'm totally unsure of these details though....
I would recommend posting your query on an American adult webmaster board.
http://www.adultnetsurprise.com is really excellent. Lots of webmasters there who could answer your questions. Being American they have to deal with 2257 every day.
I do know that even they are unsure of things at the moment because these new strict regulations may not stick.......everything is up in the air.

[Jacques]

That is as I understand it - copy of 2 ids and model release.

If you are not hosting in the United States of Warmongers then this statement should suffice: (I am not a lawyer and this should not be taken as legal advice)


PLEASE NOTE: By virtue of their locale the producers of the adult content contained in this website do not fall under the jurisdiction of American law. The producers of this website have taken it upon themselves to voluntarily comply with United States law concerning 18 United States Code 2257 and 28 Consolidated Federal Regulations Part 75 in order to assure those that are bound by these United States laws and regulations, that all visual depictions displayed on this website, whether of actual sexually explicit conduct, simulated sexual conduct, nudity or otherwise, are visual depictions of persons who were at least 18 years of age when those visual depictions were created. Government issued photographic identification confirming the foregoing is held by the Custodian of Records listed below. Such identification may or may not have been issued by the state or federal government of the USA.

All other visual depictions displayed on this website are exempt from 18 USC 2257 and 28 CFR 75 (if such visual depictions were subject to that law) because such visual depictions are not visual depictions of conduct specifically listed in 18 USC Sections 2256 (2)(A) to (2)(D), but are merely depictions of non-sexually explicit nudity or are depictions of simulated sexual conduct or otherwise exempt because the visual depictions were created before July 3, 1995.

BY VIRTUE OF SUCH VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE, THE PRODUCERS OF THE ADULT CONTENT CONTAINED IN THIS WEBSITE DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE OR RECOGNIZE UNITED STATES JURISDICTION OVER THEM NOR DO THEY ATTORN TO THE JURISDICTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Custodian of Records:
(NAME)
(EMAIL ADDRESS)


2257 Business Hours:
Monday - Friday 9am - 5pm (GMT)

[tas]

this is where our problem is... we can not give out information about models etc because of the UK's Data Protection Act.

[ehagogo]

Thanks for the replys guys,

It is good to hear some British views,

I'll check out that forum thanks Jock Strap.. hopefully its more helpfull than the other American forums i've been on.. lots of them seem to be tgp guys and dont actually produce there own content.. i'll take a look at this one to so thanks

Thanks Jacques, looks like is the kind of thing i think i'll go with, even if it does contain some pork pie, as long as i got the copys of id's and the releases then i'm making a good effort right.

I got a feeling some girls will only have one form of id to hand too..

Well it all looks a bit messy.. i guess if I "black out" the girls personal details ( as i hear some people do ) then I cant state that I comply or Voluntarily comply ?

Well maybe I'll just have to add more pork pie to the statement and cross any other bridges when i come to them.. as i do think its more important to protect models and not show the personal details..

Many Thanks for all the replys

Hyde

[Joe A]

To put it simply...

For the US you will need two forms of photo id.. Don't ask me how that may always be possible.

You can hide the models personal details.

Don't use a US 2257 as you're in the UK.

Have your name and address as the keeper of the 2257 records and you are covered

[Cenobitez]

Joe A,

My legal people tell me that from an Associate Office in the US, that IF you DONT comply, and you Become a 'target' or just because, YOU CAN AND WILL be detained on arrival into the USA and maybe charged under the Obscentities Laws or 2257 is they feel like it.

Now the issue is this, YOU CANT AFFORD TO TAKE ON THE US GOV, its a simple as that, so they simply run you out of money and win that way.

However SHOULD you have the capabilities to take it to the Supreme Court it will nearly always be thrown out but can you afford it ?

I say get the 2 forms of ID, in my opinion 1 HAS to be a Passport OF Drivers License the other has to be something that you MUST be over 18 to have, like a Credit Card and Statement, whatever, then keep some basic details of the shoot, the date, the time, the location, who the models are, who the photographer was, a breif description of each set and what file numbers they are, stuff like that ?

From my understanding ALL the above it what is required to build your catalogue, and satify all sides, ALTHO it IS NOT SET IN STONE at the law is NOT in effect so NO ONE TRUELY knows what is required so my advise was be EXTRA vigilent

Joe,
The ID is possible because the average US Citizen has State ID, College ID, Uni ID, Drivers License, Passport etc etc ALL of which are of use at one time or another

[Joe A]

Cenobitez.. I meant that a US sites 2257 shouldn't be copied... LOL

Your guy in the States can tell you only from a US residents position NOT from someone who lives outside the USA

And remember that a lot of it was overturned this week ...

[milton]

Joe,

overturned this week..........??? I'm an avid news reader but this is a new one on me! What happened this week apart from 2006?

Happy New Year to all!

[Joe A]