The Wright stuff is a semi-serious news entertainment (with 3 journalists). Semi-serious, as in it has jokes (even at the expense of some sort of intelligence). They reported on an online survey that showed 40% of women surfed for porn. They then said 'surfed sex sites' (the women said to improve their sex lives). The survey was of 1000 women. They seem to be conflating 'sex-site' with 'porn-site'. A site about STDs is not a porn site. Anyway, the usual hypocrisy entered. Kate Silverton (gorgeous woman with luscious lips), says she's never seen a hardcore film.'I'm not expert enough to have an expert opinion' (so it didn't stop her making a joke about porn having no story line)
James O'Brien said that as a boy he'd seen porn movies and the women looked drugged. He brought up the old 'Linda Lovelace' bullshit. Mathew Wright explained that she has kept changing her story every 2 years.
Mat(t)hew Wright said he was surprised at explicitness of the mags now (compared with his days of Readers' Wives).
The callers:
(the and or problem)
A caller says they would rather go with a real woman than see a porn video (why not both?)
(wild statistic implication)
A caller says 'The FBI have evidence that 75% of serial Killers are very interested in porn'
(so what? What is he trying to imply? People who like porn are serial killers? What is the ratio of porn likers to serial killers? Where did he get this statistic?)
(woman who doesn't know what she wants)
A female caller ... talked about wanting female porn (naked men)
I forget the rest.
Statistics and interpretation.
The online survey found women looked at 'sex-sites' for a laugh. The program was indeed a 'laugh'.
Porn - Healthy or sad?
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Matt
Re: Porn - Healthy or sad?
Aaaah, the philosophy of pornography. This is actually what I'm planning to do my final year's dissertation on in my philosophy degree, so it's a subject close to my heart.
I missed the programme you talk about, but I've seen it before. Shame I missed it cos it sounds quite interesting. Much more entertaining then Kilroy ('Porn ruined my life') or Jerry Springer ('I'm addicted to porn' and 'My gay lover is really my transexual sister').
There are a lot of people out there with opinions they are not entitled to, and subjects like porn always tend ot bring out the worst kind of prejudicial, knee jerk reactions, usually based on ignorance of the industry and jealousy (we'd all like to be paid just for having sex with people, right? well, maybe not).
As far as the question goes, the answer is probably relative to each individual. For me, porn is very healthy. It actually increases my respect for women rather then damage it. If I had to say "generally" (not one of my favourite words), I'd say porn is healthy as part of a life being lived, and sad in and of itself (if thats all an individual's life has become).
Matt.
-who reserves the right to be wrong-
I missed the programme you talk about, but I've seen it before. Shame I missed it cos it sounds quite interesting. Much more entertaining then Kilroy ('Porn ruined my life') or Jerry Springer ('I'm addicted to porn' and 'My gay lover is really my transexual sister').
There are a lot of people out there with opinions they are not entitled to, and subjects like porn always tend ot bring out the worst kind of prejudicial, knee jerk reactions, usually based on ignorance of the industry and jealousy (we'd all like to be paid just for having sex with people, right? well, maybe not).
As far as the question goes, the answer is probably relative to each individual. For me, porn is very healthy. It actually increases my respect for women rather then damage it. If I had to say "generally" (not one of my favourite words), I'd say porn is healthy as part of a life being lived, and sad in and of itself (if thats all an individual's life has become).
Matt.
-who reserves the right to be wrong-
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Rebekah
Re: Porn - Healthy or sad?
Pornography is in my opinion a healthy take on sex, it enables sexual boundaries to be explored and enjoyed which can only be a good thing.
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Otis
Re: Porn - Healthy or sad?
It's dead fucking simple - you're either a boozer or an alcoholic, a gym-goer or a fitness fanatic. If you use porn recreationally, enjoy a video like you enjoy a drink, it can only leave you well-balanced and horny, unless you're a nutcase to start off with. If you live in one room wallpapered with explicit photos, watch 10 videos a day, spend ?200 a week on tapes and mags and haven't had sex with a woman since 1994, you're sad. Porn's healthy when it gets rid of the Christian/Daily Mail indoctrination that women are all little angels and their acts and attitudes are never motivated by lust or desire - which might be what Matt's getting at - because if you think that you can only be a misogynstic prick. It's bad when you enter the Porn Dimension, and start subconsciously thinking that porn is anything like life, and you're suddenly outraged when you fail to pull three nights in a row, or you do pull and the girl doesn't behave like Dirty Anal Kelly. To me, that's the only "danger" of porn - in some senses it's aspirational, and in that sense it can only lead to frustration...and if someone's unbalanced or misogynistic to start with, it's unhealthy. But like I say, the oldest argument is the best one - is booze healthy or sad? 20 pints a week: healthy(ish). 20 pints a night: sad.
The few times I've heard anyone say any of this on one of these discussion programmes, the only people who've agreed have been attractive young women. The ones who strongly disagree tend to be weird-looking guys and middle-aged ratbags. So I stopped worrying about the whole argument, cos I'm happy on this side of the fence, with my girlfriend, while Ann Widdecombe sits and blinks and twitches alone on the other.
The few times I've heard anyone say any of this on one of these discussion programmes, the only people who've agreed have been attractive young women. The ones who strongly disagree tend to be weird-looking guys and middle-aged ratbags. So I stopped worrying about the whole argument, cos I'm happy on this side of the fence, with my girlfriend, while Ann Widdecombe sits and blinks and twitches alone on the other.
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Otis
Re: Porn - Healthy or sad?
Oh yeah, also on this side of the fence - Rebekah. It gets better....hahahaha
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Matt
Re: Porn - Healthy or sad?
Totally right. Has anyone else noticed this? The only people who seem to be against porn are the people you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place! Either that or the Christians.
What you say I might be getting at is definitely a part of it. I just find it infuriating that people can base opinions on pornography and what is healthy of others based on their own morals and ethics, their own perceptions and prejudices.
What you say I might be getting at is definitely a part of it. I just find it infuriating that people can base opinions on pornography and what is healthy of others based on their own morals and ethics, their own perceptions and prejudices.
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Phil McC
Re: Porn - Healthy or sad?
Hey Joe I just got ADSL in my bedroom, this is for webcam use it is so fast and stable...unbelievable....but the spelling is still as bad.
As for porn it is much more than mear filth it is a form of expression, it travels over all boundries, and where else could a mad car thief from Glasgow become a success, I thank it alot...
Also I bought a bike today Triumph Daytona 1200 so I am looking for any photos of birds on bikes for a site preffer amatuers, I am looking for guys to send me their girlfiends on their bikes etc.
Phil McCavity
As for porn it is much more than mear filth it is a form of expression, it travels over all boundries, and where else could a mad car thief from Glasgow become a success, I thank it alot...
Also I bought a bike today Triumph Daytona 1200 so I am looking for any photos of birds on bikes for a site preffer amatuers, I am looking for guys to send me their girlfiends on their bikes etc.
Phil McCavity
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woodgnome
Re: Porn - Healthy or sad?
i guess the acid test is this:-
your tootling down your local high street and a gentleman/woman with a microphone approaches you; a cameraman/woman lurks behind him; they ask these questions - "what do you think of pornography? do you use it yourself?"
i have close friends who don't know of my 'interest' but others who do. i'm not sure what my response would be. it seems a bit jerry springerish to be living life somewhat hypocritically one moment and then to tell the whole world where you're really at, the next!
on the other hand, i couldn't look myself in the eye, if i flat out refused to support people's right to freedom of sexual expression by whatever means they like. i suppose i could go down the quasi-bullshit route of saying that, i support absolutely the right of consenting adults to do what ever they want but what i get up to is irrelevant and strictly my own affair.
not very brave but probably what i'd end up spluttering.
that's why people like rebekah, who live their lives totally up front and with dissembling, are to be given the utmost respect for the choices they have made! the rest of us tend to measure a lot higher up on the hypocrisy meter!
your tootling down your local high street and a gentleman/woman with a microphone approaches you; a cameraman/woman lurks behind him; they ask these questions - "what do you think of pornography? do you use it yourself?"
i have close friends who don't know of my 'interest' but others who do. i'm not sure what my response would be. it seems a bit jerry springerish to be living life somewhat hypocritically one moment and then to tell the whole world where you're really at, the next!
on the other hand, i couldn't look myself in the eye, if i flat out refused to support people's right to freedom of sexual expression by whatever means they like. i suppose i could go down the quasi-bullshit route of saying that, i support absolutely the right of consenting adults to do what ever they want but what i get up to is irrelevant and strictly my own affair.
not very brave but probably what i'd end up spluttering.
that's why people like rebekah, who live their lives totally up front and with dissembling, are to be given the utmost respect for the choices they have made! the rest of us tend to measure a lot higher up on the hypocrisy meter!
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woodgnome
Re: Porn - Healthy or sad?
oops! that should read WITHOUT dissembling i.e. they do what they do without concealment and evasion, etc.
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Die Hard
Re: Porn - Healthy or sad?
Not me! If one of those poncy interviewer types stuck a microphone in my face on the High St and said "What do you think of sex on television?" I'd retort " Well there's just not enough. Down with boring TV!"
D H.
D H.