It?s all kicking off in the Islamic world....

[randyandy]

Apologies to any gimps and fuckwits offended but it?s all kicking off in the Islamic world. Nothing at all to do with Islam, of course:

[David Johnson]

Good point, Andrew.

The sacking of York Minster and Westminster Abbey by the radical Islamists is really disgusting.

!boring! !boring!

[Sam Slater]

More British Muslims have joined ISIS in the last year than have volunteered to serve in the British armed forces.

Let that sink in for a while. The country that they were born in, protected by laws, educated in and stitched up when they got sick.....all shrugged off because of religion.

An estimated 1 in every 800 British Muslims have either gone to join ISIS or been caught trying to. That's 0.125%. A very low number, which shows that the vast vast majority of Muslims do not go round killing people. But it's worth comparing that number with, say, a western nation like America where it is estimated that 1 in every 1360 will commit murder at some point in their lives. Or, 0.00735%. So, British Muslims are nearly twice as likely to join ISIS as your average American is of murdering someone over a multitude of things.........And America has a murder rate nearly 5 times that of the UK.

So what can we conclude? Firstly, that a tiny minority of Muslims are maniacs with the overwhelming majority being decent people....like everyone else. But also that there is a larger percentage of British Muslims willing to kill people for religious reasons than there are non-Muslim Brits for killing anyone for any thing. 10 times the number in fact.

Of course it's to do with religion.

[Arginald Valleywater]

You jest DJ but the more Muslims there are the more they will get into Parliament and local councils and before we know it the Koran will be compulsory in schools......but then again you liked Hitler's tash and thought Pol Pot was a lovely bloke. Wake up, smell the flowers and rearm.

[David Johnson]

"but then again you liked Hitler's tash and thought Pol Pot was a lovely bloke. Wake up, smell the flowers and rearm".

Argie, you appear to be going insane.

[David Johnson]

Ok, let's examine this rather ignorant drivel, shall we?

"More British Muslims have joined ISIS in the last year than have volunteered to serve in the British armed forces. Let that sink in for a while. An estimated 1 in every 800 British Muslims have either gone to join ISIS or been caught trying to".

First of all, it is worth looking at the word "estimated". In short, you have no idea how many British Muslims have joined ISIS in the last year. Did they leave an ISIS forwarding address with their Mam? No. There is no way of keeping track of what each British passport holder does in Iraq or Syria when they leave this country.

Secondly this is the shock/horror type story that people like yourself seize on to support your rather bizarre "I hate Islam" views. You appear to have got your info from this Daily Mail story



The story switches from talking about people who go to fight in Iraq and Syria and assumes that all of these people must be fighting for ISIS. Like I said there is absolutely no proof for how many people involved and there are many different groups fighting in Iraq and Syria.

Thirdly, it is worth mentioning that there were , according to the Daily Mail, only 170 reservists enlisted in total from all British citizens in the last year. Now, the crime stats tell us that in 2013 there were 551 people murdered in England and Wales.

So the question that you could ask yourself is - Why is their no big splash in the press that British citizens are far, far more likely to kill someone else in Britain than join the reservist force?

"That's 0.125%. A very low number, which shows that the vast vast majority of Muslims do not go round killing people."

Why do you think this is the case, Sam? After all you have repeatedly insisted that the only person who can interpret the Koran is the Prophet. Therefore all Muslims must follow the bloodthirsty parts of the Koran to the letter. Why do so many British Muslims choose to ignore the views of the Grand Imam of the BGAFD, Sam Slater?

Finally, have you heard of the Israeli Defence Force? Involved in attacks on Gaza? The IDF has announced that about 100 British nationals are fighting in the IDF. The Jewish population in the UK at the last census was about 250,000.

So SHOCH/HORROR SAM SLATER, 0.4% of the UK Jewish population was potentially involved in raising Gaza to the ground and bombing school playgrounds etc. etc? AND THIS PROVES, USING YOUR SHITE GRASP OF LOGIC, THAT UK JEWS ARE THREE TIMES AS LIKELY TO FIGHT IN FOREIGN WARS THAN UK MUSLIMS (.4% V. .125%).

In short, Samuel,

1. You are clearly entitled to your views.
2. ISIS is a clear threat and a murderous, despicable organisation.
3. It is very worrying that some British Muslims, however small, have joined ISIS and they need to be monitored very closely and arrested where necessary etc. etc.

However if you want to be taken seriously by people who have got more than half a brain, it would probably be a good idea to think a lot more before you post on this subject here.

[David Johnson]

Oops cocked up the statistics myself. But hey, if I make a cock up, I have no problem admitting it.

So 100 people out of 250,000 is 1 in 2,500, which is .04% of the overall Jewish population not .4% as I stated. Apologies for the error. Any complaints to my maths teacher, Ms Wright.

As a result of my cockup, I took a look at Mr Slater's assertion that .125% of the British Muslim population are estimated to have joined ISIS. The Muslim population was 2,700,00 in England and Wales in 2011. Obviously this does not include Scotland and Wales.

So 1% of British Muslims is 27,000. .125% is about 3.500, far exceeding the numbers in the press. The percentage would be lower still if we included Scottish and Welsh Muslims in the overall count and to reiterate we have no real idea anyway how many British Muslims have joined ISIS

[Sam Slater]

It seems David's kicked off again. I thought I was pretty fair, stating (twice) that most British Muslims are non-murdery, decent people......but that if the estimates are true, there is 10 times more lust for murder amongst British Muslims than non-Muslims.

And, of course, he uses the Daily Mail as a source I supposedly got my figures from without actually knowing. This is a grave assumption. You see, I got my figures from one of the leading left-wing blogs out there:

And, this figure was repeated here, by Liberal Democrat candidate, Maajid Nawaz, a practicing Muslim. Start the video from 1 min onwards>

So it's not just right wing rags that are quoting these figures. They could be wrong of course, but David doesn't really care about that. He just kicked off because I said something he didn't like.

[David Johnson]

"So it's not just right wing rags that are quoting these figures. They could be wrong of course, "

They are wrong irrespective of whether it is the Daily Mail, the Left or Ed Miliband stating it.

We do not even know how many illegal immigrants come and go from the UK. How on earth do you think they can work out figures like 1 in 800 in a situation when people land up in Turkey and God knows where they go from there and what they do?

Secondly you misquote from your source.

You state "An estimated 1 in every 800 British Muslims have either gone to join ISIS or been caught trying to. This is not stated in the article. What the article does is take the figure of 2.7 million and reduces it to just over 400,000 to get to that ratio. Your use of the source is misleading.

"but David doesn't really care about that. He just kicked off because I said something he didn't like."

No. It is plain wrong and I explained to you why it is wrong and misleading. Over to you to challenge the logic I use to trash your argument.

[Milk Tray Man]

I can't understand how anyone can seriously argue that "it's not about Islam".

Irrespective of the numbers involved, if people are committing atrocities in the name of Islam, then quite clearly it IS about Islam. It's nonsense to pretend otherwise.