Iran with nuclear weapons-Is it safe?

[jimslip]

Was curious as to whether anyone believes that if Iran and or Iraq had had nuclear weapons during their conflict, they would have used them?

[Deuce Bigolo]

I can't see either side using the big one

It would be like shooting yourself in the foot not knowing where the full out would spread to

I can imagine they would have used depleted uranium weaponry if it was available like the yanks did in IRAQ not that long ago

Amazing the difference it makes when trying to destroy a tank

cheers
B....OZ

[jimslip]

I saw an interview between an atheist and a devout, crazed muslim cleric. The maniac said quite clearly that "Anyone that is an Infidel must die!" I can't believe that people like this would not used WMD's. I would be just as frightened of Christian fundamentalists, who would have used them happily against the USSR during the Cold War.

[Bruce Barnard]

So Iran?s president calls of the evil of Zionist Israel to be ?wiped off the face of the earth? at the same time they restart their nuclear program.

If I lived in Tel Aviv I?d be taking to the streets to force my government into taking direct action. One bombing raid and Iran's nuclear capability could be set back twenty years.

[Jacques]

I think they possibly would, but similar to Sadam Hussain in Gulf War I where he was effectively backed into a corner and couldn't get out so he burnt the oil fields, but in this case, you'd have a nuclear strike as a parting shot.


I think a bigger question is will Blair take us into another conflict in Iran?

[one eyed jack]

When you think these two factions have hated each other for centuries then its a very high proabability either side will be crazy with hatred and paranoid enough to be the first to push the button in a hair trigger action of anticipation of the enemy.

In these wild crazy times would it come as much surprise after all the bombings and killings inflicted within these regions.

I can almost see it in my monds eye one morning when the radio goes off to wake me up....I reckon this will trigger the holy war on a mass scale.

It seems man forgets his own mistakes in history and just merely repeats them one century to the next

[Bruce Barnard]

Ironically enough, there is probably more justification for going to war with Iran there ever was for the current exercise in futility we are undertaking in Iraq.

Iran wouldn?t hesitate to attack Israel with a nuclear weapon, in fact they have said as much in the past. This life long pacifist would happily fly direct to Tel Aviv and take up arms if things ever got that bad in the long running tragic saga that is the sheer stupidity of Middle Eastern politics.

There?s one simple reason: Israel is a true and pure democracy surrounded by fundamentalist states that wish to see it?s complete destruction.

Ever notice that Arab folk only take to the streets in protest when it?s the US who are abusing prisoners, despite the fact that their own governments routinely torture and kill pro-democracy campaigners and political prisoners on a daily basis.

Interesting to note that despite all the talk of Arab solidarity, Palestinians are still refused Saudi visas to attend Hajji in Mecca, a duty for all Muslims.

The Arab outlook on Palestine reeks of hypocrisy. Rather then blame Israel, people should ask why Arafat kept his trophy wife in five star luxury in a French hotel whilst his own people where living in poverty. Throughout it?s history, the PLO has detained and tortured journalists who question it?s authority, have made deals with Hamas and other extremist groups which have destroyed any moves towards a self governing state, and worst of all it has blatantly stolen the vast amounts of foreign aid that pour into the country on an annual basis.

Before anyone claims I?m a bigot, take a long hard look at the Arab culture of extreme anti-Semitism. Read any Middle East paper and it?s filled with toxic lies that bring to mind ?Der Strumer?, the Nazi?s own anti-Semitic mouthpiece. Tales of Jews killing children to use their blood in Passover celebrations, how there is a global Jewish conspiracy to control the world, it even reprints extracts from the ?Protocols of the Elders of Zion? on a near daily basis.

Israel has made mistakes, there?s no doubt about that. Although this probably happens as a result of watching hundreds of your citizens die in a constant wave of suicide bombings. We all long for the day when Jewish kids can dance in nightclubs without fear of being blown apart, and where Palestinian youth can happily play football without being murdered by Israeli soldiers just a few years older then themselves.

That said, don?t labour under any illusion that the Arab world genuinely gives a fuck about the fate of the Palestinian people, there are just pawns in the game. Fucked over by their own leaders, their Muslim neighbours and the wider global community.

Of course I may be wrong, perhaps all Jewish people do have beards that are crawling with lice after all and I?m a victim of the conspiracy myself.

I?m no war pig, but if I was Bush or Blair I?d have my fighter jets on standby by now.

[Officer Dibble]

"The maniac said quite clearly that "Anyone that is an Infidel must die!" I can't believe that people like this would not used WMD's."

Well, why not use them when you can justify anything by saying "It is the will of Allah"? The silly, socialist, middleclass twats, in the labour party are trying to introduce into law measures that would stop us from criticising religions and religious bollocks, with Islam forefront in their minds. As in other areas where we must show respect to idiots and wasters this kind of thing will simply empower them to be ever more loony, irrational, and obnoxious.

Christian fundamentalists are divis too. However, they are not quite as dangerous, as our western culture places more value on life than do those in the Middle East and Africa. We also seem to be much more rational (open to reason and debate) than many in the Middle East. Therefore western Christian fundamentalists would feel slightly more constrained about pressing the button. Unless they were truly insane they could not justify themselves simply by saying ?It is the will of the Lord?.


Officer Dibble

[Officer Dibble]

"If I lived in Tel Aviv I?d be taking to the streets to force my government into taking direct action. One bombing raid and Iran's nuclear capability could be set back twenty years."

That's most likely what will happen if things carry on on this present course. It will probably be Israel that takes the first action, though they will have massive intelligence and technical support from the United States - bombing by proxy. This would suit both parties as there is no way Israel can allow an irrational, wild eyed, Muslim loony on it's doorstep to acquire the bomb (one who has publicly advocated wiping Israel of the map). Also, it would serve the purpose of the United States in its non-proliferation agenda without having to take the political flak (in the current anti-American climate) of doing the job themselves.


Officer Dibble

[Bruce Barnard]

Fuck me Dibble, it seems we're singing from the same hymn sheet, despite me being a shameless Guardian reading ponce.