Apparently the UK has the biggest %per population of people on its DNA database than any other country with over 4million people on file, and that number is set to soar as this goverment has now made any offence an arrestable offence no matter how minor and once arrested you will have your DNA taken, also it now stays on the database even if all charges are dropped or you are found not guilty of the offence, is this a good thing or is it taking things a bit to far.
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Given that it has led to the arrest and conviction of some rapists and murderers from years ago, I can see the value of it. With the advances made in forensic science in the last 10-15 years, and with further advances to come, it's becoming more and more difficult to get away with murder.
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In the same way cctv did nothing to stop the increase in crime, dna databases will do nothing to stop the criminals. It's another smokescreen to make money for big business and subdue the generally law abiding citizens. Think of all the ?80 fines they could issue to cover the 'admin' costs of the test - or the ?100 for every bit of chewing gum they analyse off the pavement. Or the letter 'dear sir, we recovered your dna profile from a pool of piss in the back alley, you're fined ?200".It's pretty obvious what's behind it, but the British public are easy to fool over and over.
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Well, if you're chucking chewny away, or pissing in shop doorways, you deserve to get caught 
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But they're trying to pass it off as a panacea for all crime, which it won't be. The police we have are lazy and incompetent and are only interested in the easy target ... so the doorway pissers will rightly get done, but the mugger won't or the robber with a gun. It will increase serious crime and criminalise general riff-raff. you need to ask why the police in other countries don't want these laws. It's one thing keeping the dna of known criminals, but a completely different case if you're found not guilty or never charged.
Plus juries put so much faith in science - the police will inevitebly fit people up by planting a hair or two at the scene ... the police did it in the OJ Simpson trial, they planted blood samples - they were caught out because they had put a preservative into the blood. You wouldn't have the finances to employ Johnny Cochran (neither would anyone now - he died last year) or his like, you'd just be in jail..
And the biggest worry is criminals rumaging through bins or hotel rooms for personal samples, like hairs ... and then planting them at a crime scene. I don't like the guy who sits next to me at work ... tell y what, I'll get a few of his hairs or an empty drink can - or a cigarette butt of his bin ... then go smash a few car windows and throw the can in the car. The police will have a field day and I can sit back and laugh.
Plus juries put so much faith in science - the police will inevitebly fit people up by planting a hair or two at the scene ... the police did it in the OJ Simpson trial, they planted blood samples - they were caught out because they had put a preservative into the blood. You wouldn't have the finances to employ Johnny Cochran (neither would anyone now - he died last year) or his like, you'd just be in jail..
And the biggest worry is criminals rumaging through bins or hotel rooms for personal samples, like hairs ... and then planting them at a crime scene. I don't like the guy who sits next to me at work ... tell y what, I'll get a few of his hairs or an empty drink can - or a cigarette butt of his bin ... then go smash a few car windows and throw the can in the car. The police will have a field day and I can sit back and laugh.
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just like speed cameras a dna data base will stop law breaking and just like speed cameras im sure it will be used wisely to benifit us all, NOT. remember those women jailed for murdering their children but then years later ooops sorry your fault my mistake just as you said you didnt do it after all. imagine having a lift home with a mate who after which gets battered and then our clever boys in blue with no leads find your dna. whats that said the judge you were in bed have a pedal and....... dna is fool proof for a fool
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For sexual crimes and sexually-motivated atrocity, it unequivocally does the job- that is the province of DNA in Forensic Science. The sex crime is the idealised DNA scenario in FS- to apply it to other things does work, but in many cases not as conclusively.
As Dario pointed out, it can be applied to many other things also, and there is the trapdoor of police corruption- but in the examples cited, if 'plants' were to be made, it 'proves' that you were AT the scene. It doesn't prove that you committed anything.
Hair, per se, does not contain DNA- it is only a physical or chemical link that links hair from person A to scene B. Apparently, the freshly-pulled hair has DNA in the bulb at the base of the follicle- but research continues.
At a murder scene, yes, it will be scoured for everything- physical evidence and, of course, biological evidence. If the murder scene happens to be the middle of the street and chav A has gobbed there an hour previous in passing (and is on the database) he WON'T be a suspect, but will be part of the elimination process.
In conclusion, I'd say it's not as 'Big Brother' as some fear, and with the elimination enquiries police may have to conduct in light of the sheer power of the technology, it will get the result- but may be more work intensive.
I am a wee bit cocncious of the implications of leaving the dregs in a pint glass etc..........but, no matter what you do in life: EVERY CONTACT LEAVES A TRACE!
As Dario pointed out, it can be applied to many other things also, and there is the trapdoor of police corruption- but in the examples cited, if 'plants' were to be made, it 'proves' that you were AT the scene. It doesn't prove that you committed anything.
Hair, per se, does not contain DNA- it is only a physical or chemical link that links hair from person A to scene B. Apparently, the freshly-pulled hair has DNA in the bulb at the base of the follicle- but research continues.
At a murder scene, yes, it will be scoured for everything- physical evidence and, of course, biological evidence. If the murder scene happens to be the middle of the street and chav A has gobbed there an hour previous in passing (and is on the database) he WON'T be a suspect, but will be part of the elimination process.
In conclusion, I'd say it's not as 'Big Brother' as some fear, and with the elimination enquiries police may have to conduct in light of the sheer power of the technology, it will get the result- but may be more work intensive.
I am a wee bit cocncious of the implications of leaving the dregs in a pint glass etc..........but, no matter what you do in life: EVERY CONTACT LEAVES A TRACE!
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Absolutely nothing wrong with it.
Has nothing at all to do with personal liberty, human rights blah blah or excuses to pick on innocent joe public. That IS the big smoke screen.
I think the people against this usually have something to hide or in the case of thinking speed cameras are a means just to tax have a criminal intent.
Your never hear anyone say the speed limit should be this in that debate because whatever the limit was set at there would still be people pushing the limits and braking it.
Has nothing at all to do with personal liberty, human rights blah blah or excuses to pick on innocent joe public. That IS the big smoke screen.
I think the people against this usually have something to hide or in the case of thinking speed cameras are a means just to tax have a criminal intent.
Your never hear anyone say the speed limit should be this in that debate because whatever the limit was set at there would still be people pushing the limits and braking it.
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you probably failed to notice that there is not a single speed camera with the speed limit posted on it just to let the nice people know what speed is safe for that very section of road. but then again what do i know im just a crim up to skuldugery
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Well just bear in mind that you can now be arrested for something as minor as driving in a bus lane and your DNA would then be on the database, so next time you think of dodging a bit of traffic you had better think again.