Angels - Best song of the past 25 Years

[RetroDon]

I don't think so. There must be some right doughnuts that listen to Radio2!
Though I find Williams irritating, I'll conceed that it is a fine song and a good performance, one of his less-contrived numbers. Best British song since 1980? I don't think so, nowhere near!

[The Last Word]

For the sake of drama, and to give the impression they actually took notice of the votes, it all boiled down to three.

However, out of Robbie, Kate Bush and Joy Division, who was more likely to turn up?

[paul]

Ian Curtis would turn in his grave if he knew he was in the same poll as a wanker like Williams.

[Officer Dibble]

Yeah, there kind of polls are always a load of bollocks - they always seem to choose a song that was number one a couple of weeks previously, when they have been asked something like 'What is the best pop/rock song of all time?' It says more about the type and quality of the people responding to these polls than giving us any objective insight into popular music since 1980. Yes, Angels is a good song and a fine performance by the otherwise knobhead, Robbie. But I'm still a bit uncomfortable about it. It came to the fore in the age of corporate, manufactured, pap and, for me at least, it bears a whiff of the contrived.

And, while we?re talking about pop music, what about the demise of TOTP? A case of pop eating it's self? The silly cunts who ran the show over the post decade packed it out with nothing but vacuous, manufactured, boy bands, stupid, vacuous, pop-tart bands and silly bastard 'gansta' rap bands who do nothing much more than wear tracksuits and wave their arms about like soft twats while attempting to emulate the 'attitude' of a typical LA gang member. In fact calling them 'bands' is giving them far more musical credit than they deserve. No wonder no fucker wants to watch anymore. The producers of TOTP must shoulder part of the blame for the decline in the quality and relevance of chart music, a trend that has accelerated since 1990 (along with other forms of popular entertainment). If I had been in charge I wouldn't have had any vacuous knob heads on the show - number one or not... Well, OK, maybe I'd have had Kylie on...But only if she had agreed to smoke mi beef in the dressing rooms prior to the show.











Officer Dibble

[Pervert]

Does anyone know the number for NHS 24? I'm obviously ill---finding myself in agreement with the Dibble incaranate.

He's right: all these polls are top heavy with recent releases and idols. If you really wanted to do a poll of best song/film/actor/whatever, then disqualify anything from the last five (or preferably ten) years. When you update the list five or ten years later, then you'll get a perspective of what works and what doesn't.

The top 25 song shortlist was badly flawed, and the final five were no one's idea of the top five, but Love Will Tear Us Apart was head and shoulders above the rest.

[brooks]

I agree with Dibble and Caractacus however I do take issue with caractacus's point of disqualifying anything from the last five/ten years.

The problem with the polls is not what there is to choose from but who is doing the choosing.

Invariably these polls take place in teeny mags or are advertised on radio stations that appeal to people with a maximum age of 25 who have no idea that music existed before the year 2000.

Or even worse, by people within the industry who have there own agenda's and aren't really concerned with a true voting perspective.

Also it is always going to be a mainstream song etc that wins these awards because the minor quality songs etc just don't reach the audiences.

[Guffy]

I am surprised that no one had picked up before that the gay mafia had hijacked the awards.

Best Song of 2004 = Young

Best Song of Last 25 Years = Williams


I think it says more of those who work in the industry, after all it is they who rig these votes, than it is those who actually vote.

There may be a similar case with the Best Pop Band for the last two years.

2004 awards = Busted

2005 awards = McFly

Both utter crap but they would appeal to the pretty boys who work in music

[Pervert]

My disqualification suggestion was more aimed towards the film polls. I find it utterly depressing seeing classics like The Godfather or The Third Man being beaten by the latest forgettable crowd pleaser at the local multiplex.

And yes, many polls are rigged. I've visited the Channel 4 website on occasion to vote on some of their poll programmes, and they are usually already loaded in favour of whatever agenda the programme maker has.

[RetroDon]

McFly really aren't that bad for a teeny pop band, there's a lot worse.
I cannot understand why Will Young's "Your Game" - a forgetable piece of pseudo-soul fluff, not a great song by any stretch of the imagination, won "best single" - if we're going with mainstream pop, I'd have said Natasha Beddingfield - both "These Words" and "Unwritten" are much better, and more succesful

[RetroDon]

Top Of The Pops has been deliberately run-down, competing needlessly with Corrie and godawful "presenters"
It was actually a damn good show, as little as 8 years ago. Mid-nineties shows were great viewing, and had plenty of good bands on. Why the hell they harked back to the dreadful 91-93 period (complete with re-adopting the theme from that disasterous and unnecessary "revamp") of awful, wooden presenters who know nothing about music etc I just don't know. Christ, they were that bad they brought back that pug-ugly dwarf Bruno Brookes!!