Extreme Pornography

[Keith]

Hi,

Some time ago the moderators put a notice up about the consultation process on the Home Office proposals to make illegal the possession of ?extreme pornography?. I hope that those people who felt that these were proposals that should be opposed have already made their views known to the Home Office.

However, I understand that there is now further information regarding these proposals, that may persuade others on this forum who were not convinced at the time, that this is an issue of concern to all of us. The Home Office is thinking of including in it's definition of images to be banned, the following:

Asphyxia. Where the person is being choked in order to gain sexual pleasure.
Bestiality. Sexual acts between humans and animals.
Bondage. Tying a person in an unnatural position for sexual gratification where the participant is unable to withdraw their consent (for example they are gagged).
Corporal Punishment. Inflicting pain on another person
Cruelty to animals. Includes organised dog fighting, bear baiting, badger baiting, cock fighting. Also `crush' material which features humans stamping on vertebrates or standing on them with increased pressure until they are crushed.
Defecation. Voiding excrement from the bowels.
Enemas. Flushing the bowels with water, usually to drink the product or torture the victim.
Fisting. (anal or vaginal) Inserting a fist in the anus or vagina for sexual gratification.
Insertion of an object. Only where the insertion clearly inflicts pain.
Menstrual Blood. Sex between adults where the female is menstruating heavily and the blood is being smeared on the body or the used tampon is being sucked etc. This does not include post-intercourse depictions where a small amount of blood can be seen on the participants.
Necrophilia. Sexual intercourse with a corpse.
Sado-masochism. Sadists achieve sexual pleasure through inflicting torture and humiliation upon another person. Masochists desire maltreatment as a means of sexual gratification.
Scatology. Depictions indicating a general interest in excrement such as smearing or eating of excrement.
Urolagnia. The act of urination in the context of any of the following where a person is shown: urinating at the same time as they are engaged in a sexual act. The urination and sexual act must be seen at the same time. The sexual act includes those such as fellatio (oral sex) and masturbation which would not be obscene if shown without urination; smearing urine on themselves or another; urinating on another person; being urinated upon; drinking urine.
Violence (non-simulated). Scenes of actual violence or mutilation shown in an exploitative context where they are not part of a legitimate documentary. For example a compilation of newsreel footage concentrating solely on scenes of violence or mutilation. This would also cover scenes of actual sexual assault including rape.
Violence (simulated). Scenes of simulated sexual violence such as rape shown in an exploitative context where the activity is graphically
depicted and clearly intended to appear non-consensual. This excludes scenes contained in serious dramatic films.

Basically, it?s anything that does not fit into the current R18 guidelines. Distribution of non-classified material is already illegal in the UK, but even before the allowance of R18 material it was never an offence to possess it (unless it was child porn or bestiality). If these proposals are turned into legislation (and we know how fond this government is of introducing legislation to force it?s view on people), then we all better be checking our porn stashes. If you possess material (videos, DVDs, photos and net-porn) that involves pissing, fisting, bondage with gags, S&M and CP (even if consensual) or choking then you?ll be breaking the law.

If you haven?t written in response to the consultation then I urge you to do so now.


Keith

[nachovx]

I tend to agree with you ... there is no real democracy in the UK.

[middle_aged_dutchman]

'Cruelty to animals. Includes organised dog fighting, bear baiting, badger baiting, cock fighting. Also `crush' material which features humans stamping on vertebrates or standing on them with increased pressure until they are crushed.'

and

'Violence (non-simulated). Scenes of actual violence or mutilation shown in an exploitative context where they are not part of a legitimate documentary. For example a compilation of newsreel footage concentrating solely on scenes of violence or mutilation. This would also cover scenes of actual sexual assault including rape.'

Can anyone explain to me why scenes like these are porn?
(I apologise. I am a stupid Dutchman and stupid Dutchmen ask stupid questions.)

[mart]

Isn't that a rather simplistic reply. Some people experience sexual gratification from watching material of that kind.
Let me hasten to add that I don't.

Mart

[Keith]

Hi,

My understanding is that govt. consultation documents rarely get much of a direct response from the public. Consequently when they do get a response it makes them sit up and take notice. As do letters to MPs.

As I said it's not the issue of distribution (which is already illegal) that should concern us. It's that they are proposing to criminalize possession - with possible prison sentences and your name on the Sex Offenders register.

People here will do what they want, I guess. But it's never been in my nature to sit by and do nothing when faced with unreasonable behaviour either from individuals or governments. If it happens I will know that I did what I could to oppose it.

Keith

[readysteady]

Please could you post the address where people can post their comments
for the consultation....

ReadySteady

[randyandy]

and I suppose the defeat on the detention laws for potential terriorist had nothing to do with democracy.

[randyandy]

I'll stand corrected obviously but didn't this relate to a white paper for the Scottish Parliament and has nothing to do with the Home Office or UK Government trying to inflict their will on anyone?

With regards to the extreme pornography point I'd personally love to see all this crap stopped from being in 'mainstream' porn by producers, for it to go back to being on 'specialist' titles and the choice given back to the punter.

I wouldn't ban it because I know some enjoy it I'd just like the industry to take a collective responsibility and take the stuff that was once in the 'specialist' market back to that market.