Attn: All UK models and producers

[isabel ice]

Harry, I assume that's me you're talking to, seen as though I'm the only girl who has poseted a few times? I've actually been inactive in porn for 8 months, and have been inactive in the past for various ammounts of time.
So I have every right to express whatever opinion I want, seen as though I'm not working at the moment. As for girls that escort in America being black balled, that is rubbish, infact most of the main agencies now encourage it... which is a shame. (can't say who because of the name and shame rule)

The database will always have flaws, but girls and guys who have sex with no protection, which you can never trace are far more at risk... but that's not the point... whatever people do in outside of the industry can't be stopped, but what people can be in control of is who does or who doesn't have clean, and current tests... no brainer to me...

[one eyed jack]

Harry my initial post was simple enough. I really expected a yes or no answer. Anything other than a yes computes as a no in my brain and the fact I have had to defend something which isnt even in development yet.

I am fully aware of what this project needs and I would never put anyones personal details such as home address etc on a site. That would be a direct contravention of the data protection act, hence why this has to be password protected. It is for industry use only.

Please accept my apology if you feel alienated by response. You have shown support of my actions as well but I cant be challenged about its integrity because thats down to the very people themselves. If their tests are in date and the real thing is my main concern.

[amber]

Now I have moved off my sofa from Miss Ice! I just thought I would say that I personally in my time in the industry have come across people with faked certs and when I was new I was to damn nice and scared to say anything. If we had an online way of seeing results it would put an end to this problem.
Times change and the chances of people being able to hack into our sti results is probably the same as someone getting in to your online banking account.
We need to get with the times and I know change scares people but this is our sexual health and our lives we are talking about.
We will never be able to stop things getting in to the industry but online tests is at least a way of helping and a way forward.

[Harry Hardon]

No Isabel, I wasn't targetting you - I'm not singling any particular person / production company / modelling agency but I know a number of people on here and UKAP will think "he's talking about me".

As I have said before is I have no problem with people doing these things but I would not go on record and say something against what I have or will do.

But when people go on and on about "the risk of infection" then you find out they are putting their co-stars at risk, it's very hypocritical - we all complain about rock star's who says "save the planet" then drives off in their Jaguar with 10 MPH fuel consumption - why should the adult industry be any different.

If the message and actions don't marry, integrity is compromised.

The concept of a central database for testing results is in theory a very good one but given the human condition, will it's integrity be worth anything after a couple of months?

It may say when a model was last , what was tested and that they were not infected but will it say when they last worked, with whom, in what capacity, whether they did anything in private, etc?

If people want to try it out, go for it, but my gut feeling is that the UK won't adopt similar practices to the USA because in the UK, porn is still deemed a seedy film industry.

I mean, the USA make shows based on Seymour Butt's finding a girl friend - can't see that happening for anyone in the UK if they've done more that Page 3.

HH

[Peter]

one eyed jack wrote:

It is for industry use only.

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Who decides who is part of the industry?

[Harry Hardon]

Terry

Thanks for the post.

Answer : Yes - I believe this would be a good idea but I have reservations..

We also perhaps need to have inductions for new starlets to let them know their responsibilities to their co-stars.

Maybe creating some form of union which is funded by the big plays in the UK scene to help educate and inform people.

I don't know the answers but anything which helps prevent illness and sickness is always a good thing.

Okay - bedtime for bonzo..

HH

[one eyed jack]

Harry I'm trying man. Believe me. I'm trying.

But the road is long and hard and I may need some help from my brothers and sisters in the struggle.

Do I hear an "amen?"

This whole thing is nothing without support and if it doesnt get support it means no one really cares and that is seriously worrying because it means no one cares about their sexual health and I refuse to believe that unless I'm told we have kamikaze porn stars who care not whether they live or die..Or end up pissing hot broken glass (y'know what I'm saying?)

[one eyed jack]

Hey Peter.

I do.

I know all and see all and I know who you are too. heh heh heh. I just checked your profile and if you are who I think you are then I know of you.

Are you still a photographer? I havent been keeping up to date with the girly mags for a while since Ive been focussed on couples.

In truth between 20 producers across the association we are quite resourceful on whose who and if we are not we also know people in places who will.

We are quite a resourceful bunch and welcome anyone new as well. You can email me through my profile if you want.

[Harry Hardon]

Let's have a 'hallelujah' and an "Amen. Not sure what I can do to help out but let me know.

I don't do much work these days but still get tested as I believe health and hope everyone else does.

OK - definately bed time now

HH

[one eyed jack]

Harry, people may question a tests integrity the moment you stick your willy in a fanny and by the time youve stuck it in five fannys later you will have compromised your tests integrity because you dont know where those five fannys have been in private, escorting or personal makes no difference.

Thats the business and real life rolled into one right there. We could go on and on and never get anywhere with this.