How common are fake certs?

[one eyed jack]

Take it as a warning.

I take your hostile manner as threatening.

Stay on topic and dont make this about me. You want to talk about certs etc then do so.

The rest Ive said already. Im not interested in engaging in conflict with you but if you continue the way you are going then I will assume you are provoking conflict

[videokim]

Captain Wow

This is an interesting thread but it in danger of being closed as you insist on causing a row, if you have personnal views go direct to that person through e-mail etc & dont use this thread as it will be closed & you could also be barred.

FAQ : 3.9 To avoid tit-for-tat posts, culminating in flame wars

John

[one eyed jack]

And watch your mouth mate! I have a tendency to get equally nasty with people getting rude with me. Lets not make this personal.

That means i will return every rude or offensive comment with an equally offensive comment.

I dont tkae too kindly to people I dont know steerignhtis off topic by telling me to :

Make you mind up Terry. Where can it be discussed and do you want fans discussing it or not? From you posts I can't fucking tell!!!

First its not up to me if fans want to discuss anything on here and if you have any input just make your comment but when you use words like "fucking" in your sentence levelled at me i assume you are being offensive.

This is not the first time we've drawn swords and I seem to remeber the last time you were equally offensive and I responded in kind.

You are not my friend so therefore do not treat me as if you know me by responding in a tone that is offensive.

If you were speaking in a general way i wouldnt ahve taken offence but since you singled me out the warning still stands.

If you prefer to take it as a threat then so be it. As I said, the moment you took the thread in thsi direction you have brought it off topic and made this about me.

[one eyed jack]

I would understand if I started this thread but I am responding to it the same way as you so how come its all about "where should we talk about it???"

If you have an issue with me or perhaps UKAP then talk about it there. if your issue is personal then perhaps you should email me direct and we can continue kicking each other in the nuts

[one eyed jack]

Thanks for the comments Myson. Its appreciated.

[Tanya Cox]

Johnny - can you email please on tanyacox@live.com you have no email addy in your profile,

Sensi - thanks for that info babe, your doing the right thing giving us all the facts, Im so angry and really wanted answers which no seems willing to give.

Amber, sensi, kim, myson - i totally agree lets stick to together , try find out who these cunts are and out them all,

Think all this just shows how important us sticking together and pushing for the data base is.

xxx

[sensi]

Really cant believe the lack of response on here from producers & performers reguarding this matter!
Its just a small handfull that have botherd to show any interest!
The problem aint never going to sort itself out, thats down to us!
I salute all those who have voiced a strong opinion in favour of stamping out all these sick barstards & making our industry a safer place!

Sensi

[Dylan Devere]

there's alot of responses here to read- but interesting if you wade your way through.

1) boys... boys... boys... so much testosterone! just because a few (however many) of you have discussed it doesn't give you the right to stop the people on the shop floor taking an interest- especially on such an important topic.

2) taking antibiotics... any of the 'cillins gives a false negative on tests and whilst NHS clinics always ask about medication i) they have no way of knowing if you are telling the truth and ii) private clinics i've been to don't ask.

3) once you have genuine certs it's easy enough to do mock ups if i) you are a handy cutter and paster or ii) you work in the NHS and can easily pick up a sheet of headed paper.

4) regarding the data protection act, everybody is already held on all sorts of unknown databases.... the average mobile phone has more prossessing power than the apollo comuters so how many people have numbers they shouldn't have!

I agree... follow our colonial cousins and set up a central testing and results database...... just please..... KEEP THE FEES REASONABLE AND THE LOCATIONS ACCESSIBLE

[KazB]

I agree with Sensi 100%

We have been lucky on this occasion but it only takes one fucktard with a deadly virus to forge their certs and bang!!! It spreads life wildfire and half the industry if not more is infected with a deadly virus that will not only limit quality of life but also shorten it at best. Not to mention everyone's partner's.

Stormchild is right to but the cunts are not just performers. There are producers who have a blatent disregard for anything other than how fat the wad in their wallet is.

An example - on a shoot about 2 years ago I was doing some solo and girl girl for a producer when the one of the girls got her results on the phone and found out she had ghonorrea.

Now that producer should have told her to go straight home but instead he bullied her into staying. He then excected me to use toys this girl had used and he told me he didn't even have any proper antibac cleaner for them. When I refused he said he was going to send ME home!! I kicked off and had an argument with him and eventually we agreed that I would use a strap on on the girl, but would NOT kiss or touch her or vice versa....even though he was trying to persuade me that kissing and touching was fine!

It was horrible and she was obviously in pain towards the end but I think he was punishing her in a way as this producer likes to try and take mental control over people. After the scene I dropped the strap_on on the floor and refused to touch it and went home.

He is known for ripping girls off but this changed things and I swore I would never shoot for him again. He couldn't understand why I wouldn't work for him again - when he expects performers to use infected toys and act intimately with performers with sti's!

This is one example but I'm sure it must go on quite a lot.

Whilst there are a lot of great producers around we cannot rely on them to safeguard our health (and some of them would consciously jeopardise it if their finances were at risk) only we can do that.

I for one would never work with a cert faker or a producer that is a total twunt when it comes to health and safety.

And yes not working with a known cert faker may not stop the problem completely but it will probably prevent you from picking up a nasty infection or getting a bad reputation.

So fellow performers - if you are even considering working with a cert faker - remember it's not only your sexual health (and your partner's) that is at stake but also your reputation!

Be Safe!
xxx