Vote: Online certs. Yes or No?

[Sam Slater]

I never said you were in a clique over at UKAP, I just said they're harder to organise in such an open forum as this.

[andytaylor]

There is another reason why the AIM is so effective and that's the fact that no one in the mainstream adult industry works without a cert, but more important, they have the cooperation of the industry so that when an outbreak occurs, shooting can be shut down while affected performers can be identified.

I really can't see this system working over here for all the reasons already stated.

[marcusallen]

some of you guys really take the cake!

Instead of dreaming up all the reasons why it will NOT work, why not simply try and collectively put together a system that WILL work?

Surely the interests and health of all concerned must come before all this petty rubbish and smartass remarks.......

Think positively - that's if you REALLY care................................

[jimslip]

It's about wasted producers time............that's why the idea is so popular. Basically, this whole idea is to cover the backs of dozey, dumb, models who can't get their shit together and turn up with their tests. It's a charter for forgeries, but why would the producer give a fuck? He's got his shoot done and whether someones passed the clap or worse onto another innocent party is of no concern to him. He's made his grubby little buck, what else matters?

If no one else can see this then I despair. With any luck the producers will still be fucked over, because any sensible performer, with proper paperwork, will refuse to work with someone who ONLY has an on line cert. I certainly wouldn't, but hey, I'm old fashioned and a stick in the mud, what would I know?

For fucks sake, how easy is it for people to simply change the date on their cert and keep uploading the same one. It's been done before.

Well that's British porn for you and that's why I'm in Eastern Europe, where a cert has a fucking pic on it and it's embossed and even the copies are made by the lab themselves.

[Andy Mann]

I agree Jim,

I would never trust an online cert, and forgive me for maybe being a bit naiive but isn't the whole point of having up to date ORIGINAL certs for the sake of the performers who are doing bareback together and not the Producers?

[jimslip]

I haven't had time to check properly, but I think that this crazy idea of collecting this kind of information, will fall quite firmly under the provisions of the Data Protection Act 1998 and will have to be registered and monitored by the appropriate authority.

I note in the Basic Interpretation Provisions, Part 1, "Sensitive personal data" mentions "sexual activity" in (f), just for starters.....

I'll go through the whole lot and believe me it's a nightmare, when I have time and report back.

[jimslip]

You're not naive, you've hit the nail right on the head...........fuck the producer's poxy shoot, it's your health your gambling with.

Bear in mind that I am also a producer as well as a performer and I would consider it an extremely immoral act to encourage or pressurise a performer with proper paper work to work with one with only an on-line cert.

[jimslip]

"Massive support" I believe was 30 votes last time I checked and I think you'll find most of these are producers rather than performers, who will actually be taking the risk of working with someone with a possibly forged cert. But of course he or she can't judge for himself whether it's been tampered with.....cos it's on-line!

It will take a strong model, who can withstand the bullying and abuse from an irate producer, trying to get them to work with an on-line certer! So i suggest that performers warn producers in advance thet they will not perform under these circumstances.

I say dust off your old camcorder and get shooting! LOL

[Andy Mann]

Thanks Jim, and my certs from Medilab are colour printed and signed at Medilab, and any performer is welcome to call them to check they are the genuine article if they are shooting with me..Oh and can I come and shoot for you in Europe if you need any guys mate? lol