Islam needs to grow up
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Re: Islam needs to grow up
c.j.jaxxon wrote:
> I just took it that you may have something against muslims. If
> I'm wrong then I apologize. I wasn't even thinking about what
> middleclass people might be trying to do to help them or
> whatever. And what I meant about "right thinking muslims" was
> the ones who abide by the laws of the country they live in and
> who are living their religion properly.
You're dead right CJ - like most bigots, Dibble looks for justification for his prejudice and tries to make it look reasonable. No need to apologise.
In this case, the pope was just doing what popes and the church have done with dull consistency for a thousand years: attack Islam and/or Judaism. The response from Muslim leaders was, rightly, to demand an apology. And then of course the Islamophobes jump on the bandwagon and try to make out that it's the Muslims, rather than the bigoted Vatican, that are in the wrong.
If any Muslim leader attacked Jesus like the pope attacked Mohammed, imagine the reaction of the Christian fundamentalists! Europeans (and our white cousins who run America) are backward and hostile to the rest of the world, but try to make out that the cultures we attack are the backward ones, even while we continually bomb and occupy their land.
> I just took it that you may have something against muslims. If
> I'm wrong then I apologize. I wasn't even thinking about what
> middleclass people might be trying to do to help them or
> whatever. And what I meant about "right thinking muslims" was
> the ones who abide by the laws of the country they live in and
> who are living their religion properly.
You're dead right CJ - like most bigots, Dibble looks for justification for his prejudice and tries to make it look reasonable. No need to apologise.
In this case, the pope was just doing what popes and the church have done with dull consistency for a thousand years: attack Islam and/or Judaism. The response from Muslim leaders was, rightly, to demand an apology. And then of course the Islamophobes jump on the bandwagon and try to make out that it's the Muslims, rather than the bigoted Vatican, that are in the wrong.
If any Muslim leader attacked Jesus like the pope attacked Mohammed, imagine the reaction of the Christian fundamentalists! Europeans (and our white cousins who run America) are backward and hostile to the rest of the world, but try to make out that the cultures we attack are the backward ones, even while we continually bomb and occupy their land.
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Re: Islam needs to grow up
True muslims are unlikely to attack Jesus as he is a major prophet in that religion. Nevertheless if such an attack did happen I have little doubt that the Christian fundamentalist would behave in the way you suggest. Particularly the lunatic fringe in the USA.
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Re: Islam needs to grow up
Keith Rasputin wrote:
> That's the problem with the Germans, they won't swop a quiet
> life for matters of principle. That's how they allowed one
> under-sized nutter to completely devastate their country and
> most of Europe. It took the aristocracy in the form of army
> officers to do anything about it, very late in the day. No,
> fuck Ratzinger, once a Nazi always a Nazi, just shows the
> Catholic church up for what it really is. I'd like to hear at
> what point he realised in his own heart that being a Nazi was
> wrong. I suspect he's never even thought about it.
The Catholics created a fascist-type state across Europe long before the Nazis came into existence. The Vatican is the original fascist dictatorship.
> That's the problem with the Germans, they won't swop a quiet
> life for matters of principle. That's how they allowed one
> under-sized nutter to completely devastate their country and
> most of Europe. It took the aristocracy in the form of army
> officers to do anything about it, very late in the day. No,
> fuck Ratzinger, once a Nazi always a Nazi, just shows the
> Catholic church up for what it really is. I'd like to hear at
> what point he realised in his own heart that being a Nazi was
> wrong. I suspect he's never even thought about it.
The Catholics created a fascist-type state across Europe long before the Nazis came into existence. The Vatican is the original fascist dictatorship.
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Re: Islam needs to grow up
?like most bigots, Dibble looks for justification for his prejudice?
Like most privileged, PC-crazed, middleclass folks, Jerry seeks to validate and justify his position in life by casting spurious allegations of bigotry, prejudice and racism. In the paroxysms of his Jewish, middleclass, self-loathing he publicly scourges himself, his ?brothers? in Israel, his non-PC countrymen and their religions. In Jerry?s troubled mind everything bad in the world is the fault of western civilisation, it?s values and economics. Third world folks are all ?victims? and can do no wrong. Those who have the temerity to suggest otherwise are clearly rabid goose-stepping racists and bigots who are beyond redemption? There, there, now, Jerry. It?ll be alright.
Don?t worry, Jerry. Even though you have hurled the most heinous insults and aspersions at the Pope we will not be calling for your immediate execution. We won?t even organise a placard waving, anti Jerry, demonstration outside your gaff. In fact we won?t do much at all except wonder at your bizarre blinkered PC view of the world and pity your seeming detachment from reality.
Oh, and back on he subject of Muslims ? I had a real live one sat at my kitchen table yesterday. We drank coffee together and talked of health food, boxing (he runs a gym), collecting conkers (in our youth) and the exploits of our mutual friends and associates. It was a cordial afternoon.
Officer Dibble
Like most privileged, PC-crazed, middleclass folks, Jerry seeks to validate and justify his position in life by casting spurious allegations of bigotry, prejudice and racism. In the paroxysms of his Jewish, middleclass, self-loathing he publicly scourges himself, his ?brothers? in Israel, his non-PC countrymen and their religions. In Jerry?s troubled mind everything bad in the world is the fault of western civilisation, it?s values and economics. Third world folks are all ?victims? and can do no wrong. Those who have the temerity to suggest otherwise are clearly rabid goose-stepping racists and bigots who are beyond redemption? There, there, now, Jerry. It?ll be alright.
Don?t worry, Jerry. Even though you have hurled the most heinous insults and aspersions at the Pope we will not be calling for your immediate execution. We won?t even organise a placard waving, anti Jerry, demonstration outside your gaff. In fact we won?t do much at all except wonder at your bizarre blinkered PC view of the world and pity your seeming detachment from reality.
Oh, and back on he subject of Muslims ? I had a real live one sat at my kitchen table yesterday. We drank coffee together and talked of health food, boxing (he runs a gym), collecting conkers (in our youth) and the exploits of our mutual friends and associates. It was a cordial afternoon.
Officer Dibble
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Re: Islam needs to grow up
?I just took it that you may have something against Muslims. If I'm wrong then I apologize.?
Hey, c j. Apologies accepted. I?m cool and certainly not one to hold grudges. However (which all due respect this time) before jumping in and commenting it might be advisable to be clear in your mind precisely what is being said - as well as the context it is being said in.
Live long and prosper.
Officer Dibble
Hey, c j. Apologies accepted. I?m cool and certainly not one to hold grudges. However (which all due respect this time) before jumping in and commenting it might be advisable to be clear in your mind precisely what is being said - as well as the context it is being said in.
Live long and prosper.
Officer Dibble
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Re: Islam needs to grow up
Peter wrote:
> Quite a paradox that anyone who questions the peaceful nature
> of Islam is met by a torrent of violence.
Really?
Personally, I think Islam (along with all other religions) is a load of wank. Can I now expect a torrent of violence? Or are you talking out of your arse?
It seems to me the really scary ones are the 100 million (yes, you read right) fundamentalist conservative Christian nutcases in America. Now those guys are REALLY armed and dangerous.
> Quite a paradox that anyone who questions the peaceful nature
> of Islam is met by a torrent of violence.
Really?
Personally, I think Islam (along with all other religions) is a load of wank. Can I now expect a torrent of violence? Or are you talking out of your arse?
It seems to me the really scary ones are the 100 million (yes, you read right) fundamentalist conservative Christian nutcases in America. Now those guys are REALLY armed and dangerous.
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Re: Islam needs to grow up
> Don?t worry, Jerry. Even though you have hurled the most heinous insults and
> aspersions at the Pope we will not be calling for your immediate execution.
Phew - it's a relief that a load of angry pornographers haven't taken offence at me calling the pope a cunt. For good measure, Ayatollah Khamanei and the Chief Rabbi are cunts too. And the Dalai Lama. Bring it on.
Excuse me if this post seems a little PC to your tastes.
> aspersions at the Pope we will not be calling for your immediate execution.
Phew - it's a relief that a load of angry pornographers haven't taken offence at me calling the pope a cunt. For good measure, Ayatollah Khamanei and the Chief Rabbi are cunts too. And the Dalai Lama. Bring it on.
Excuse me if this post seems a little PC to your tastes.
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Re: Islam needs to grow up
norlander wrote:
> We have a lot of islam here - we do our best to stop them in DK
To stop them what - breathing?
You also did a lot to "stop" the Jews in DK, in the 1930s. I might have been born in Denmark. Instead, my family had to run to England and Ireland where they would be safer from you "brave" Vikings.
> We have a lot of islam here - we do our best to stop them in DK
To stop them what - breathing?
You also did a lot to "stop" the Jews in DK, in the 1930s. I might have been born in Denmark. Instead, my family had to run to England and Ireland where they would be safer from you "brave" Vikings.
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Re: Islam needs to grow up
strictlybroadband wrote:
> Peter wrote:
>
> Personally, I think Islam (along with all other religions) is a
> load of wank. Can I now expect a torrent of violence? Or are
> you talking out of your arse?
Why not go down to your local mosque and question their beliefs and find out?
> Peter wrote:
>
> Personally, I think Islam (along with all other religions) is a
> load of wank. Can I now expect a torrent of violence? Or are
> you talking out of your arse?
Why not go down to your local mosque and question their beliefs and find out?
We have need of you again, great king.
Re: Islam needs to grow up
Jerry says
"You also did a lot to "stop" the Jews in DK, in the 1930s. I might have been born in Denmark. Instead, my family had to run to England and Ireland where they would be safer from you "brave" Vikings."
or
4th paragraph!
"You also did a lot to "stop" the Jews in DK, in the 1930s. I might have been born in Denmark. Instead, my family had to run to England and Ireland where they would be safer from you "brave" Vikings."
or
4th paragraph!
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