Attn: All UK models and producers

[Andy Mann]

Well said Harry, and we all know that is the case

That was kind of what I was trying to get at but didn't put so elequently , aside from the issue of personal information being held on a database being a concern, but Donkey has allayed those fears for me now..

[sandie]

Harry Hardon wrote:

> Perhaps a different solutions could be that all the GUM clinics
> provide UKAP with details of know performers who have tested
> positive for HIV so that a list can be monitored though this
> would need to be set up in such a way that name changes don't
> corrupt the system.
>


u will NEVER EVER get a clinic to agree to that.

tests are just damage limitation. u cant control what peole do at any level. they will always lie about it anyway. what this new idea would ensure is that there can be less lies over tests.

as miss ice says the only option in the industry at the moment is to trust people.

[Harry Hardon]

Hi Terry

In theory, I like the idea of a central register as it would help. It would almost be like the Equity Database but for porn stars - though not everyone in the other movie business has an Equity card once they make it big..

With the current credit crisis, I foresee a greater cross over between the adult movies and the over adult services as everyone has to pay their bills. If a person has decided their career is in the sex industry and part of that income dries up due to the lack of investment bankers, they will look for other revenue streams.

I also don't think a number of production companies will be interested in helping this scheme as they know models will appear in situations with untested males (and females) which then would put others at risk in the long term.

In an ideal world, everyone would welcome this opportunity to help make things easier but in the grey world in which we live, I don't think it will have the support of many.

Also, it will have to be a voluntary scheme and will everyone say "no shoot" if someone turns up and isn't on the database - I believe sometimes people don't know who they are shooting with until the day.

OK, back to Alias Season 4 DVD box set now.

HH

[Harry Hardon]

Sandie

> u will NEVER EVER get a clinic to agree to that.

Agreed, no clinic could give out this information as it would be breach of patient / doctor privelege

> tests are just damage limitation. u cant control what peole do at any level. they will always lie about it anyway. what this new idea would ensure is that there can be less lies over tests.

> as miss ice says the only option in the industry at the moment is to trust
> people.

The issue with trust is everyone lies. How many models are posting on this and other threads complaining about the risk of HIV / STI's but have in the past or are currently working with amateurs, organising or attending adult party, escorting, organising or attending bukkake shoots, organising or attending dogging shoots, going to swingers parties and the like.

I have no problem with any of these activities having been involved in some myself but when someone complains about the risk of infection then goes off to have sex with 6 untested guys, the words are a bit hollow.

If the integrity of the database is put in question, the system will fail - bit like the current banking system.

[one eyed jack]

Harry

If this comes into effect I can forsee that people will not work with other people if their paperwork looks questionable. if they work with them anyway then they are undermining the integrity of their own paperwork and possibly compromising their health and income as well if they come down with anything.

Like I said, personally I will care if people want the service. If they dont, then like the auditions it will be a non starter but remeber this, for every good idea met with resistance to change ther ewill come a time when people might have wished it was in place.

Again I am responding to demand and this has been an idea that has been around since 2004 but yest nothing has been done about it.

I think with everyones participation it could be done effectively.

if the US can do it then why not us? Are we that badly organised that it cant be done? if thats the case then its the very same people who are part of this industry that are fucking it for itself.

Not UKAP. If the talent dont care. Why should producers?

Judging by some peoples answers: Have you actually read the link or are you going by the basic info that was given. This is a debate that should be going on over at UKAP but as I suspected people would prefer to post here in full view of the fans.

Oh well.

[Andy Mann]

OEJ said:

Andy the system you suggest of calling the Medilab doesnt work if you shoot on a Sunday and need an answer now with a model that has travelled to get to you three hours already...

Well basically you cannot get tested at the weekend and get the results the same day as far as I am aware, so this model will have had her tests done previous to that..In that case, you as a producer, if you have any concerns over said model and you know that you are going to be arranging a shoot for the weekend, should get in touch with the Clinic when you book them in for the shoot on the Friday for example(you can do this with the Models I.D number or consent on the phone, I have seen it happen before on shoots)..

[Harry Hardon]

Hi terry

I'll post my comments the UKAP board, I keep forgetting that thread.

HH

[Harry Hardon]

Terry - i've posted my comments on the thread. I wish you all the best but fear lots of factions will not let this work as it will impact upon their revenue.

[James not Bond]

Terry,
I would have put forward some serious suggestions, but looking at the way this thread is going I'll just keep out of it.

I dont want to be accused as having the knives out for you.

Good luck with your idea.

[one eyed jack]

Well basically you cannot get tested at the weekend and get the results the same day as far as I am aware, so this model will have had her tests done previous to that..In that case, you as a producer, if you have any concerns over said model and you know that you are going to be arranging a shoot for the weekend, should get in touch with the Clinic when you book them in for the shoot on the Friday for example(you can do this with the Models I.D number or consent on the phone, I have seen it happen before on shoots)..

No not at all Andy. I didnt commission the shoot. I was asked if I would co fund and shoot it. Thats down to the two in question. I couldve done bu tthen I'm dealing with two adults. Not kindergarten kids who need their arses wiped. I have no concerns about the model as I know she has been around for more tha two years.

if my attitude seems lackadaisaical to you then thats fine but this comes back to the subject of performers being just as accountable for their actions. technically it wasnt my shoot. i didnt organise it. i was only asked to co fund and shoot but my point is, if this is the sort of thing that goes on then the system of bringing your paperwork with you on the day is not working.

I couldve walked awy from the shoot but the co producer performer agreed to go ahead with it.

The model got tested during the weekday but "picked up the wrong paper" that was in her folder of tests.

The shoot was on a Sunday which was planned about 2 months before. How was I supposed to know she would not have her test on the day? I cant call and verufy on Sunday and I'm sure I'm not the only producer to be in such a position.