Vote: Online certs. Yes or No?

[MelodyChase]

"Doesn't anyone realise that most Life Assurance agreements have a clause that obligates that you confirm that you have never had an HIV test,"

I dont think this is actually true as most pregnant women are advised to have a HIV test as part of the standard testing whilst pregnant and as a mother who has had this test I had no difficulty whatsoever getting life insurance and critical illness cover which i have had in place since my child was born.

Just wanted to let you know in case you have been misinformed or performers are now worried in case they think this is the norm as its not.

regards
melodyx

[Donna Derriere]

Why don't we all go and play a nice big game of Doom?
Its nice to see that in true British style this idea is being slagged off almost immediately! People are complaining about giving out their personal information but you do that with a great number of companies already, and how many people give details like their name and DOB on things like Myspace! Where's the difference?
Do people really want their privacy and security protected or just their dodgey business practices?
Ok this idea is still in its infancy and not all the kinks have been ironed out yet but the point is that some of us would like to make the industry a safer one and are not too scared or lazy to get of our backsides and try! Why couldn't models have their certs with them also? This was never meant to replace the current system merely compliment it.

[jimslip]

To be honest the ONLY people who should be voting are the performers themselves as it is their delicate information that you are willing to possibly share with the world. They are the people that one day when they have long ended their porn careers, could possibly have their jobs, relationships, life assurance and so on threatened.

The producers only care about their own immediate convenience, they have nothing to lose. Although any producer that has any moral outlook other than to themselves will agree with my point of view.

If any GUM clinic were to get involved in any way with publishing our data in this way, I will personally be studying the Data Protection Act very carefully indeed.

I personally believe the vote, whatever the outcome, should be taken down and the whole topic consigned to the "Trash" file with the utmost haste.

By the way, this is why I am discussing this topic on this forum, because it is not a topic necessarily exclusive for producers.

I regret to say, Terry, the idea isn't just "Silly" it is downright dangerous!

[jimslip]

All the same it is asked and it is filed. I am fully aware of this. Maybe I am thinking 10 years hence rather than 10 weeks.

Have you possibly thought that in the event of a large Life Assurance claim, the company involved may ask for specific reasons as to why you had had an HIV test before paying out the claim.

Could they not ponder (If they had managed to get hold of this information in total) why you were having a test done every month over some years and then could they not suggest, that you were, "Knowingly putting yourself at risk".

These companies are crooked and will look at anyway they can, to either delay. reduce or not pay out at all!

[Damian Duke]

So as a producer you book and pay for a venue, you book 2 models, you book your cameraman for the day . . . ooops you took the models word for it they were fully certed and they've turned up with it, out of date or missing results. So what? you throw away the money you've spent and have a model and cameraman loosing a days wage? or do you do what most producers do and give you the puppy dog eyes and say "would you still be ok doing it?"

This is one scenario the website would abolish.

If you can put it online after forging it you can turn up on the day with it forged too. How can you tell the difference? Letterheads can be found online for every official document, then all you've got to do is increase the gsm of your printer paper and you've got a very convincing cert. One of the problems i have with peoples certs on the day is, i have no idea what different clinics around the country use as their certs? At least with the website you can cross reference to confirm its legit.

Ok personal info is guna need looking at. My cert only has my name, d.o.b and passport number. Surely if you block out the passport number no-one can do anything with that info and its easy to identify and connect to a model!

At the end of the day this was only ever to support the current system not replace it.

To me all the objections seem to reek of why UK porn is going to the dogs . . . your all scared of change!!

[one eyed jack]

Why would the insurance companies get hold of this information if a performer works under a stage name Jim?

Its actually quite interesting to observe the opinions of those who have voted in the no box. !happy!

I asked for an opinion and I got it. Nice to see you posting on here Steve.

Maybe all those in opposition should get togehter and form an anti-certs online !happy!

Nice to see you all being proactive and opinionated anyway. Its all good.

Jim wrote:

"The producers only care about their own immediate convenience, they have nothing to lose. Although any producer that has any moral outlook other than to themselves will agree with my point of view"

Yes and no Jim. Yes you are right. Some one like me who shoots couples and doesnt perform its not a problem for me but no because a lotof my friends are in the performing pool and I do listen to them and I do care.

The interesting thing here is resistance to change and if not for the better shouldnt we try to do something about it? But as per usual, no one is but want to attack those who do.

Again I am merely responding to the demand in favour than my own actual needs. You are a smart guy Jim and I value your opinions even if we agree to disagree on this.

[one eyed jack]

Jim Slip wrote:

I personally believe the vote, whatever the outcome, should be taken down and the whole topic consigned to the "Trash" file with the utmost haste.

Wow! Now thats an opinion and a half! !happy!

The more I read arguments against the idea the more I see reasons for doing it. All this information leaking and insurance and data protection reinforces my belief that people havent read the link that kick started this thread because while I dont mind criticism it seems to me that people are reacting to it as if its in force already.

I would like to invite those against to make suggestions in case there is somethign I havent missed.

Have you got any ideas on how we can get around wasting time booking models who turn up with tests one day out date or forged?

All I m hearing is that its a shit idea and should be consigned to the trash immediately.

C'mon you naysayers, what say you in making a change to the present system and lets look at it because the present system is more flawed with out the certs online.

SGS suggested the ONLY way this will work is if an AIM organisation did P24 Antigen testing and everyone from all corners of the UK went to those labs only.

Its a good suggestion but I fear in the present climate, people would object to paying for it or find it difficult getting to those centres if it is so far away. Not to mention impractical.

Come on then folks, turn that high powered perception into something positive here and lets debate whether its good or not.

One thing for sure, a majority of people are not happy the way it is as I can tell from the polls which are heavily in favour of the "plan" (see link that started this thread.