Vote: Online certs. Yes or No?

[isabel ice]

I'm not saying anything about who should run it, just that I found it very useful when I really needed to check the tests of the people I'd worked with after a crisis happened. I don't know how this idea would function over here because of the law,and general logistics. I'm just simply saying that it worked for me.
If the labs could do it, then that wouldn't be the responsibility of the models, or the producers. It would be run by health care workers... chances of that happening are slim, but definatly worth persuing. However, I think it's strange how people could be so anti towards an idea that is, in theory, pro-adult industry. Even if you don't think it's a great idea, to call something 'rediculous', 'stupid' or whatever, when something is designed to help, I can't understand it.
I hate working in the UK because of the ELISA testing system(3 month window), and also because there's no database...I'm sure that people fake some of their tests... I've seen spelling mistakes on a typed document... there's no way a health provider would make that mistake... but if you question someones test on set, you are made to feel as if you're causing a problem. Even if peoples tests are a day or two out of date, some producers/performers look at you as if to say you should make allowences... it's not on.

[Harmony Films]

After helping set up BAIHA a few years ago which sort to bring in 30 day test for STI & HIV for all performers I am happy to support Terry on this move. I think it will be a great idea, and yes there are some area's that need to be looked in to, but the question was do you think this is a good idea.

To that means I have agreed to come along on the 5th Dec to the next UKAP meeting and for Harmony to be an active voice here. I have also been approached by a national chain of health clinics recently that were looking to offer the services of their clinics to the Adult Industry.

I have set up a meeting with them and have asked Terry to join me and will then report back at the UKAP meeting.

If the safety of performers is improved and all act in a more professional manner over health tests then the industry as a whole will improve and anybody that seeks to not follow along will find themselves not working with the professional members of the industry.

[TheDonkeyWork]

Terry - I have no intention of joining your forum, you made it quite clear that you didn't consider me worthy to join your ranks as a "producer", therefore I see no reason why I should join UKAP forum?

YOU have brought this issue onto what YOU call a "fans forum", so you should be bloody well prepared to read what people take the time and effort to post. If the issue truly has no place on this forum AND YOU HAVE NO INTENTION OF READING THE RESPONSES THEN DON'T F'ING BRING IT HERE! Apologies for getting irate about it - but your response really does beggar belief.... I just don't get it - if you dont want to discuss it here - DON'T BRING IT HERE - Simple isn't it?

Terry - I used to think you were a decent sort. I used to think you were a good and decent ambassador for this industry. I don;t know what has happened of late, but you now suddenly strike me as pompous, self-important and somewhat ridiculous and self-contradictory...

[TheDonkeyWork]

... a kind of "models" union where, shock, horror - Models would look after the interests of models....?! But, nah.... we don't need that when we have altruistic producers who are offering to look after models interests, do we?

[TheDonkeyWork]

if the data subject (i.e. the model) consents to the information being "processed" - the requirements of the DPA 1998 have been duscharged... Let's not make something out of nothing here.

[harmonyluvver]

I think this could be a good step @Harmony Films.

[one eyed jack]

Donkeywork, I do read what the fans post here but it seems a few people decided to make it personal and look for ulterior motives like me trying to take over the UK porn industry. Pprobably because they cant understand why I would invest time and energy into doing such a thankless job (thats not true as I have fielded compliments all this morning for what I am enduring for this)

I posted on here to get the attention of producers who are not members of UKAP and this is a lot of people who are new to the producing game whether they are doing it on an amateur or professional basis. The issue of health is bigger than me and UKAP and requires the participation of as much people as possible. Why wouldnt I post here?


Donkeywork wrote:
"Terry - I used to think you were a decent sort. I used to think you were a good and decent ambassador for this industry. I don;t know what has happened of late, but you now suddenly strike me as pompous, self-important and somewhat ridiculous and self-contradictory..."

I guess thats what trouble makers and hecklers does to you after awhile. Not sure in what way I hae contradicted myself on the health issue. As I said before, is it any wonder why producers and models dont even post on here anymore when people come on here and turn everything nasty and personal.

I draw your attention to the beginning of this thread and then tell me where we went wrong from there. I never came on here to be confrontational but it seems confrontation found me from the various posters and then it was people that made this about me. The evidence is all here. Start from the beginning and see for yourself.

I'm not doing this to become popular. I have plenty enough friends. This is all about the way the industry is with regards to its medical documents. A lot of people do come to me and talk about their misgivings but none of them make it a personal attack on me.

Regardless of what the "angry mob" few think about me, this was all about health and not scoring points. That was what UKAP was set up for so producers can actively do things about areas of the business that no one is arsed to deal with and its a thankless job but a necessary one.

I dont care about personal popularity but I do care about friends and folk I know in this business so a few ferocious words are not going to putme off from my mission and if I am rude and arrogant, its because I am provoked into doing so.

No one appointed me as ambassador, in fact UKAP didnt even tell me to do this. Its something that came up from something non related and ended up happening and due to fevered support I felt compelled to do something about it.

I apologise if I seem to be short tempered but there are too many "haters" getting in the way of progress whereas they themselves do nothing to contribute and thats when I get mad and short on manners.

Sorry for the long post.

[one eyed jack]

Donkeywork: UKAP is not my forum anymore than BGAFD is.

[TheDonkeyWork]

... was refer back to the post YOU yourself link to... you'd find my "vision of how it might work" within it... but no, you tell me to cut and paste it onto UKAP.

As for contradictory - you tell us that producers don't post here (INDEED SHOULDN'T POST HERE, is the ethos you project) because it's such a vile, horrendous and vitriolic place inhabited by bitter, twisted,nasty fans - yet in the next breath you're telling us you're posting "it" here because producers DO post and look here... Make your mind up! And that's just one example as to why I'm suddenly finding you so contradictory.

I do wonder about your motives, Terry, I really, honestly do... I do wonder why you so relentlessly promote UKAP on here. I do wonder why you try to drive a wedge into the BGAFD community that never existed before - and indeed never needed to exist - it was a happy little community and with consumers, models and producers all interacting it SHOULD have led to better priduct... admittedly it hasn't and that's largely because you producers haven't delivered anything new or novel for a long, long time... Here, on BGAFD, you have the prime place to canvass new ideas... to work with consumers and models and produce what the market wants. But instead you use this as a vehicle to promote UKAP...

WHY?

And this is where I wonder about your motives, Terry.

An old cynic like me is sat in his rocker wondering if it's because you see your market dwindling... you see your status as a once grand britporn proucer diminishing - your star beginning to fade and I wonder - I just WONDER - if you're now trying to carve out a new role for yourself...

To be honest, I really dont know why the administrators of BGAFD tolerate your promotion of UKAP... you keep banging on about it on here - a forum YOU - and I emphasise very strongly the word YOU - keep telling us is a fans forum... YOU keep telling us producers dont come here, dont post here - but you KEEP promoting UKAP... and when people accuse you of being a secretive organisation you say "OH no we're not... feel free to come along and join our forum" - so are you a priducers forum or a fans forum or are you not entirely sure and just blagging it.

I'm sorry, Terry... but the more I think about it, the more I analyse what you write, the more I come to the conclusion that you've lost an ally and a supporter in me. I've simply lost faith in you.

Now you tell me you're getting plenty of "pats on the back" from folk due to your one-man crusade... just bear in mind some words I read (attributed to some old Boxing wag when talking baout Don King) - "when he pats you on the back, he's only looking for a place to stick the knife"... just think on, Tel... There may be a lot of folk out there more than happy for you to take the fall.

[Sam Slater]

I've never said anything personal to you and only gave my ideas and thoughts on a thread that you posted asking for them. I certainly didn't expect, nor deserve the attack I got from you in the early hours of this morning just because we didn't agree on something. I think it a horrid thing to accuse someone of and I'd appreciate an apology because I've given you no cause to accuse me of something so filthy, degrading and insulting.....let alone being way off the mark.

I stand by my points about not closing the doors on everyone who isn't a performer/producer because believe it or not some people do care, even though they may not be in the industry. And as long as they're common sense, smart comments then I believe it would be stupid to ignore them.

I'm sorry to say this, Terry, but with your quick temper and inclinations to insult people unfairly then you've got to question whether you're the right guy to organise something as important as this. I really mean that in all sincerity.

To follow on with my thoughts on this topic then I'd back any system that's run solely by an independent health authority, that has their own database. Anything run -even in part- by performers, porn producers or internet forumites would be open to corruption and a complete joke.

Nothing personal, nothing nasty, just my thoughts, ok?