A big problem in the adult indsutry at the moment

[one eyed jack]

Anyone for Real Couples?

[NeilUK]

Speaking as someone from the outside so to speak, it amazes me that people would work without certs. But then I suppose its the same in some ways as smoking. I mean, why knowing what we know now about what smoking can do to people do people take that first one? I can understand addicted people carrying on but to be addicted you have to take the first cigarette.
I think the two are linked by a simple phrase "It can't happen to me"
Whether its lung cancer or an STD we have an amazingly optimistic attitude towards them. These people working with fake certs or no certs have no doubt convinced themselves that "it won't happen to me"
Mind you I feel people working with fake certs should be criminally liable.
Is it worth a regulatory body making sure this isn't happening and prosecuting those who offend?
I know regulatory bodies are singularly unpopular in any walk of life but surely in this case it would be a good thing? Far more useful than the ones who supposedly "protect" us from seeing things they think we shouldn't.

Just my opinion


Neil

[videokim]

Hi guys

This is very worrying to hear, in the 7yrs i've been making films i've never caught anything (touch wood). In my films about 35 now i've slept with over 150 men & about 20 women, ********** is right when he says about Amateur & Pro mixing as i only work with Amateur as do lots of my friends. I've always said 'use condoms' as HIV certificates are not worth the paper they are written on & i wouldn't take the risk as any company can tell you who have aked me to work for them.
If a actress/actor wants to work the Pro sector its important they don't do anything outside their job without condoms as its putting their fellow stars in serious danger e.g. playing Russian Roulette, likewise when Amateur stars ask fellow Amateurs to work without condoms as its silly.
We advise all Amateur actresses we come across to use Protection with Pro & Amateur alike & its up to them on what they decide, both sides of the fence need to police their own industry to allow it to carry on smoothly.

Kim xxx

P.S. Amateur or Pro can spread STD's or HIV, any stars making adult films for money are in fact Pro adult stars & all that divides them is the fact that some are better advertised than others.

[Heathray]

A lack of personal hygiene, cheap drugs and the mandatory anal sex in every scene?
Also the best girls don't do porno anymore, they lap dance for ?60k a year without shagging ugly blokes up the arse who treat them like shit.

[Poppy Morgan]

Speaking from working in Europe, people think that manily the STD'S come from there, weather thats true or not we dont know. But having been working out there (with the guys) i can say its NOT the european performers which are giving us UK performers STD'S. its the am's that are doing it!

why?

because one big thing in Europe is testing. It is alot cheeper over there than here which make's it very easy to get tested.. which is one major problem here in the UK. There are more clinic's and the waiting time for results is not that long.. about a day earlier than here.

Our problem is not only the lack of getting test done, its where and how much. Alot of people try and get tested free.. but we all know that most places like that have a 10 day waiting period, And if we pay, well its like half the scene rate, so this is one major problem why people are "faking" test's.

Im sure Teq and Faye will agree when i say we all get a fare few emails a day from am's saying they want to do a private homemade movie, they dont have certs etc so they just wanna shag, they offer the money which can be very tempting to the new models who are just building up the profile, coming into the main area of the biz, saying they have never done this before, so a test is not needed.

We would all love to have a testing system like AIM, but this will cost alot of money!

Pops x

[JackHorny]

Kim says the certs aren't worth the paper they're written on... I wouldn't say that's true at all - far from it. In an ideal industry - where people have respect for themselves and their fellow performers; where they VALUE their own sexual heath AND THAT OF THEIR FELLOW PERFORMERS... where they VALUE their certificates and DO NOTHING TO RISK COMPROMISING those certificates - then the said pieces of paper are WORTH their weight, and more, in gold.

Unfortunately, there are people in the industry who DO NOT value their certificates, their health and have NO RESPECT fro the health of their fellow performers... it is those people who destroy the value of the certificates.

Essentially, the certificates could be worth a great deal - as it stands, they aren't.

Readign the above article in Sheffield's local evening paper last week - I guess it's clear that the industry is mirroring society - obviously Kim is right and the papers are currently worthless.

I'd also agree with Poppy - I think that blaming the spread of industry STI's on the influx of European talent is nothing more than a cop-out. Presumably the European performers possess Certs before they are allowed to work in the UK industry???? if that's the case - they're obviously NOT the source!

It is true - an outfit like AIM would be an advantage. There are far too few clinics offerign certs at a reasonable cost here in the UK. Some would say that providing certs IS NOT the duty of the NHS - I would agree - however, if they'd provide the serice at a reasonable cost then perhaps it would go someway to providing an AIM like service??? Indigo down at Charing Cross is an absolutely amazing service and an shining example of what CAN BE ACHIEVED! By providing such a service NATIONWIDE - it might - JUST MIGHT - reduce the burden on having to TREAT so many infections... but then again - would it rid the industry of irresponsible chancers????

Tequila - I admire you for "blacklisting" performers... one girl i worked witha couple of times (I wont name her) got in the habit of insisting on seeing 3 consecutive months of clean certs... I thought that was a wonderful idea and started carrying my "full history" with me from that point on...

[RogerCockUK]

I have a few ideas on the who worked with her like that? ) She's a sweet girl from and only gone over to the USA for the first time - bless) BUT, I was shocked by her lack of knowledge about HIV & STD's and the importance of them.. Certain STD's are running riot in young peopel up North that's for sure according to the clinics I attend every month... Later she worked with a guy who is a up and coming pro male stud who said that she should work with him despite the fact she was diagnosed with an STD... and told her it would be okay and just get some antibiotibcs!? So what about the people he/she would be working with that week?

You just have to be soo careful these days...

Roger Cock
www.unionfilms.co.uk

[Harry Hardon]

One possible cause for the spread of infection and also fake certificates is the number of performers who partake in extra forms of income.

These extra income streams have a number of inherent risks as the people they meet aren't tested so could result in infection.

Another cause could be purely casual sex when under the influence. A number of performers enjoy a drink and go clubbing, and anyone watching the BBC Binge Drinking season on TV will see the statistics.

Harry

[laralatex]

Myself and Jim (slip) have talked about this subject loads of times. I think that the more you work (especially the guys/ gals who are 'known' in the biz )should be tested more. Now I know there's no way of regulating this. But I think it's right. The guy (or girl) who shoots 5 scenes a week and then goes out to the disco at the weekend and shags someone (without cert) and then carries on with the 5 scenes a week,week after week, could potentially be the down fall of the whole uk industry. The person who works on the odd occasion and has a partner - steady bf/gf - is being penalised for having to have a 4 weekly test (at the cost it is) in a private clinic. So basically, the more you work, the more regualarly you should be tested.

In Hungary you have to have 3 week;y tests. And for Private (the company) I know it went to you having to be tested within 7 day s(or maybe 5) can't remember! Which is crazy!

[JackHorny]

I can see the reasoning behind your thoughts that the more industry partners in a short space of time equates to possibly spreading an infection wider and faster - that much I would agree with. However, it only takes ONE individual to introduce that infection - and that could be ANYBODY - a full-timer or someone who only gets a shoot every once in a while.

I think it is absolutely right and proper that there exists a standard that is applied universally across the board.

As to what that standard should be (30 days, 14 days, 7 days or even go back to 90 days) - well, personally speaking, until there is a concerted effort amongst performers to protect the integrity of ther certificate 101%, then I really don't think it matters a great deal where you set that standard. That's the real issue... once the infection has been introduced, in effect the damage has been done - the only thing the testing standard does is dictate how quickly the spread can be halted - what performrs IDEALLY WANT IS ZERO INFECTION - and the frequency of testing isn't going to deliver that. It's all down to trust, and I can't really see any alternative - I think Tequilla is probably on the right track in terms of a solution by limiting who she is willing to work with.