Safety For Models and Producers

[one eyed jack]

I have a question to One Eyed Jack.

As a seasoned veteran of our industry, do you know of any other recent cases where Certs are faked or ignored?


In all honesty I dont know for sure because I only shoot couples. But when you hear it from a dozen producers/ performers you have to admit there must be some truth in it.

I sometimes hear of these things when I shoot couples who happen to work in the bsuiness and tell me whats going on to addrees UKAP to confer on and deal with where we can.

I admit it is hard to progress if everyone being part of the b
problem is uncooperative.

[thebangkokbanger]

I will say it again Harry Powell state your interest in the industry or shut up and go away.

Easy for u to criticize but what do u do in this industry other than wank to porn films made by others?

[George699]

Hello Harry
Fake certs are or were more common than people think. In 2009 one model was caught and the arguments were on the board, see link to the posting below. The model I understand has left the industry disappointed that she could no longer get work, part of her anger was that the person who showed her how to fake her certs was a respected member of the adult community. Now Sensei on this post has pointed out that despite the models protestations of never having caught anything some people did catch STDs who worked with her, so not nice.

Carrying on with this topic, in the past I worked with a model and we discussed certs, she made a telling comment and that was it was more important to know the source of the certificates than the certificate, she explained that one provider of certs also forwarded the certs by e-mail and that some performers would save these certs, reopen the file change the date and carry on working. She was a good and safe model who worked in the adult community and never did this but she was aware this practice happened. This was about 5 years ago.
At the weekend I was talking to a former B/G + G/G model that is still doing adult and she said the same thing, and that this was still happening, so we can assume that it is part of a culture.

[George699]

To the 18 people who mailed me asking for the models names I am not prepared to name and shame even if you say it is so you can book them. The models met me on the day and made the offer. The Adult Parties are to a great extent UTR and will remain that way. Internet searches may help but I am not prepared to name girls
Since my first post, I attended a party in Chiswick on Saturday, and made sure I was rubbered up, but this has led to me making two further posts, one elsewhere about fake certs and this one.
The party was ?250.00 to attend, entertainment came from 5 girls. 1 a girl from the night time babe channels, 2 well known B/G models and 2 unknown Polish girls. Probably 55 to 60 guys in attendance over the afternoon but less than 15 using condoms which I felt to be concerning in view of the nature of this original post.
After the party I walked back to Hammersmith with one of the B/G models and we were talking. She said it is 18 months since she did professional B/G or G/G she stopped because it was becoming too risky. Asked her why this was not and professional were. Her reply was the professional side gets more infections than amateur she knew of this post so when asked how to make the industry safer she went into detail and below are her suggestions.
1) Producers 1 should if they expect shag either get tested before or use rubbers, also agree this in advance and not expect it on the day. She also mentioned one producer in the midlands who also expects the girls to shag both him and the camera man and this is usually without.
2) Producers 2 , Stop trying to lower the girls rate for the shoot on the day, when she has turned up and not been reimbursed for her travel, this means she has to consider other risky practices
3) Producers 3 Accept that you have a duty of care and not just take a cursory look at the performers certs, examine them carefully and if one party has concerns investigate not just dismiss it out of hand, see my other post regarding fake certs
4) Producers 4 Stop sharp practice, yes it is fine to pay a girl ?50.00 to do a trial scene to see how she performs on camera, not fine to expect her to sign a release so you can use it commercially
5) Studs 1, I mentioned gay escorting, she tells me that perhaps 40% of the guys do some form of gay escort work and while some are full time on the quiet, others do it to pay the bills at the months end. Last year two well-known studs were listed on a Manchester gay escort site for two days and then pulled, she says this is not something a lot of the guys are happy to advertise to colleagues in the business but lots do it.
6) Studs 2 if you go out on the pull make sure you play safe, I mentioned this and she tells me it was rife at Bluebird between the channel girls and the studs that shot H/C for them. Also out on the hunt Friday and Saturday, just because you are in the Sanderson or the Apotheca does not mean there is less chance of picking up and infection.
7) Agents accept your responsibility to the models, if the producers is one of the above pre warn the girl and make yourself available if she has a problem, one well known agent refuses to answer a models call other than to confirm she will be attending the shot, that is cowardice and models talk so everyone knows who I am referring to

Working abroad

The small producers have less interest in a foreign girl?s welfare than they do for local girls, this does not apply to companies like Magma, Private, Salieri but the smaller secondary companies and the agents and producers who book the girls. Issues that she has had are

1) Prague, series called Wild Sex Parties, in the past Elle Brook who has shot for them and posted that you are introduced to your partners in advance and certs are checked out, this is now variable, I was told that the guys now tend to be those who bribe the producer to appear in the shoot.
2) You be the register, this is a series where an adult model asks a member of the public to direct an adult shoot any way they chose and allow them to appear in it if they wish. In the past they used a plant if it involved the register taking part in H/C; today it is the member of public who accepts the offer, so no chance of a same day full test.
3) Germany. They have their own series, usually with names like Fun in the Bearkeller and Sauna Club. To make it look realistic they import the girls and usually involves multiple partners, however she feels that not all the guys who work for the small companies are tested as well as they should be.
4) Maastricht They shoot Fetish for the Asian market, the company is not Benson but a Dutch company and while they pay well usually 1,500 euro for the day they expect 4 H/C scenes plus 1 or 2 with dogs. Now the guys are tested but how do you regulate for dogs with infections.
5) Paris, There is a new series Gang Bang in the swinger clubs, they to create the impression that it is amateurs import girls, she tells me that not all the guys have accurate tests.
These European jobs in a lot of cases the sourcing is done via British producers, who help out fellow producers in Europe without concern for the performer?s welfare.
The girls in these cases pick up the infections and then pass them on back here, I had thought it was a once in a blue moon issue for professionals but she tells me most of the girls who have been working for 2 years have had at least one STD
Now getting back to the amateur scene, she has no concerns, when she stopped H/C the money dried up and she was pointed this way by another model, she like the other model is listed on Purestorm and MM works as a single adult model, does extras and in most cases has no concerns about condoms, to date she has not picked up anything nor has the model who got her into this side of the show and she has been active for 4 years.
Now I am retired, worked abroad in the oil industry for most of my life and since becoming single again lived in London. However in places where I have worked like Nigeria I have witnessed the effects of HIV and unless you have seen it in real life you will not appreciate just how devastating it can be for everyone involved. So for me I have to review the whole hobby and make the choice of whether I want to be part of the scene , just to many risks and the social stigma on my children if I did catch anything would be unfair. The girl in question was not a fool but a nice person who came into this business looking for a bit of fun and a decent pay packet she has positioned herself where she can earn money but despite the risks she will not listen to sense and to many other girls like her are doing the same, so perhaps time to move on and think about my next adventure.
So I really would advise anyone in this industry to take responsibility for both themselves and their colleagues, this can be a lot of fun and it is nothing that should be taken too seriously if only the people involved used some sense and took sensible precautions we could have a happy complaint free board.

[cockneygeezer2009]

After that post i expect more models to give up HC bareback sex immediately. As for amateurs having less infections than professionals it would be really hard to quantify. Catching something in this business is luck of the draw when taking risks. The more risks and risker sex you partake in the more likely you will catch something.

[Welshmorph]

"She also mentioned one producer in the midlands who also expects the girls to shag both him and the camera man and this is usually without."

As a producer in the Midlands I just want to state this isn't me. As models who have worked with me will be able to testify.

Morph

[Harry Powell]

Hi George

Thanks for this informative post.

I am going to process your comments and experiences overnight before replying

Regards