Bareback No Certs

[VintageTog]

one eyed jack wrote:

> ....Im so glad there wasnt a backlash at the UKAP meeting where
> we decided to withdraw involvement on the health issue, amidst
> the shocked gasps of a few people they came to understand there
> is no control or support or cooperation from the models as
> witnessed on the last HIV and STD outbreak on the social
> networks.
>
> So book mark his thread when the next one comes about because
> there will be no organisation or association to step in and
> call a moratorium and for what? With all the chaos and
> confusion of fake tests and no tests, no quarantine will be
> effective because there is no way to work out who has worked
> with who, who has left, died, gone on holiday or what...
>
> Lets just sit and watch the inevitable pile up and see who
> emerges from the next mass car crash that this industry is
> becoming...
>
> Seriously guys and girls , some of you seriously need to check
> your attitudes to this business. I can see the govenrment and
> media making a huge deal out of this and I can see the first
> line of defence stating this very same thing.
>
> If there is no regulation then there is a good reason to outlaw
> it...Just look at ISP filtering right now. People will come in
> and hijack it to fulfill their own agendas. Usually political
> ones.
>
>

How can you control what the models get up to in their now plentiful spare time?

[one eyed jack]

Monty, as for Ella and her tests, if she wants real peace of mind, a new test isnt going to cut it short term. There is an inubation period that needs to be considered.

Because of our outdated testing system it was explained to me that she may as well wait and get a test in 3 months and then again at 6months and again in 8 or 9 months to be fully sure she hasn't contracted HIV....Seriously, thats how ineffective our testing system has become.

In that time , if she has contracted something then she could even try suing them like Stagliano is being sued but then it will not be easy to take someones ignorance and consent to participate in something into a case to effectively sue them.



Listen to the recent podcast I did with Talent Testing Services in the USA and Shy Love...He breaks it down why our testing is out of date with new procedures and why if you work in the US you need to get tested because models there wont work with anyone tested here or Europe (ironically it hasnt stopped them getting all the HIV cases but I digress)...The difference is with them is that they offer aa system that can effectively quarantine and map all other people who may be affected on a level one, level two, level 3 etc that will need to be quarantined and retested quickly and efficiently.

There is no system fr that here. Do you know who has gone onto work with who after they've worked with you? Theyre system is automated that way to work and is part of the service

[one eyed jack]

Sorry forgot to post the link

[VintageTog]

one eyed jack wrote:

> Monty, as for Ella and her tests, if she wants real peace of
> mind, a new test isnt going to cut it short term. There is an
> inubation period that needs to be considered.
>
> Because of our outdated testing system it was explained to me
> that she may as well wait and get a test in 3 months and then
> again at 6months and again in 8 or 9 months to be fully sure
> she hasn't contracted HIV....Seriously, thats how ineffective
> our testing system has become.
>
> In that time , if she has contracted something then she could
> even try suing them like Stagliano is being sued but then it
> will not be easy to take someones ignorance and consent to
> participate in something into a case to effectively sue them.
>
>
>
> Listen to the recent podcast I did with Talent Testing Services
> in the USA and Shy Love...He breaks it down why our testing is
> out of date with new procedures and why if you work in the US
> you need to get tested because models there wont work with
> anyone tested here or Europe (ironically it hasnt stopped them
> getting all the HIV cases but I digress)...The difference is
> with them is that they offer aa system that can effectively
> quarantine and map all other people who may be affected on a
> level one, level two, level 3 etc that will need to be
> quarantined and retested quickly and efficiently.
>
> There is no system fr that here. Do you know who has gone onto
> work with who after they've worked with you? Theyre system is
> automated that way to work and is part of the service
>
>

Stagliano is in the US? How would that have any influence on UK courts?

[one eyed jack]

Its an example of it could happen here. Sung a producer for lack of due dilligence if a model caught a life threatening disease on the set of a producers film.

Just because it happens there doesnt mean it cannot happen here.

[Harry Powell]

Can someone please comment on the legal ramifications of shooting knowingly without Certs.

As a producer you need Public and Employers Liability insurance. If you breach that by having an actor transmit an SDI then it could easily become a criminal matter.

Even if no SDI was passed on, this smells like recklace endangerment at least.

A combination of the Police and Media circus is the last thing our industry needs




I am sure a creative prosecution lawyer could come up with "Attempted Manslaughter" charge, even if know one gets infected. There is no such charge at present under British law, however it does exist in other countries.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-742269.html

[poisontonomes]

No crime has been committed though. Both parties (I assume) enter into this willingly.

It's just like some bird opening her legs to a drunken pikey on a Friday night and letting him spend 19 seconds banging her without a rubber. Only this time the bird got paid and maybe, just maybe, eeked another 10 or 15 seconds out of the guy.

[erotical]

Wanted to add that although this topic is about uncerted performers in bg, the same applies to gg involving sexual contact where one model is certed and the other is not. If anything, this is more a problem with models who therwise take STIs seriously.

[scotdan]

Certs are not protection. All certs do is inform you that you have/have not a STI/HIV at the time of testing and some diseases have an incubation period and will not come up straightaway.
Even if everybody has clean certs it doesn't mean diseases will not be passed a round.
The only way testing/certs will be 100% effective if all performers refrained from all sexual activities in both their professional and personal lives for three months + and then only had sex from then on professional shoots only with other performers who have done the same.
As for the US having a system which works and quarantines performers who test positive it doesn't seem to be working too well in the new outbreak of HIV evolving Cameron Bay it doesn't look like there has been any quarantine and only a six-day shut down which some producers ignored anyway.

[scotdan]

What about models with certs who also offer BBBJ escort service surely there must be a problem as well?erotical wrote:

> Wanted to add that although this topic is about uncerted
> performers in bg, the same applies to gg involving sexual
> contact where one model is certed and the other is not. If
> anything, this is more a problem with models who therwise take
> STIs seriously.