Industry Syphilis outbreak - UK?

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emma butt wrote:

> or follow bang bros lead and go with condoms at all times x

Er, no thank you.

[femorg]

I concur. I use them and they are great Drs and receptionist. Very caring and you get your certs usually within 2 or 3 days

[MissJennyBadeau]

Why are condoms so looked down upon?! Surely the performers health is most important!! Without models-producers wouldnt exist!
You can still do a lot with condoms! cumshots ect..

[videokim]

You will start a can of worms with that one Emma as even its the obvious direction money will always come before health in this industry.

[WG]

Danny, appreciate the posting and I understand your position, You state you know the performer, can you advise him or her from me that they have been extremely unprofessional in how they have approached this.
If they are indeed a professional Model why on earth would they release the information in such an unprofessional manner?
Why would you be the medium for this? As a performer you know how damaging tit bits of information can be, this is exactly the type of thing that deters newcomers from the business and forces Models to retire through uncertainty.

If the performer in question was professional he/ she would advise a production company, an organisation such as UKAP, BAHA or AITA or even an Agency such as Walpole Group, he or she could still remain anonymous but at least we could release some facts, tweets and forum postings simply are not the way to deliver this news. this performer has caused Panic, worry and uncertanty by handling their situation so appaulingly.

There is still time for them to be professional and act like a real Model, do they think this is the dark ages where they would be burned at the stake for having a small measure of common sense? Performer whoever you are, grow up and do the right thing, you damage yourself, you taint every Model and bring the UK industry firmly back to the most unprofessional in the world! It is a shame that the Web can be so negative as well as positive.

Information like this should always, without exception be supported with facts! Had he or she been open we could take it as correct and each production company and Model in question could have contained this, we dont even know which country he or she caught it in? We know nothing and that is why it is scaremongering. the way you deliver the information suggests that the entire UK should shut down, with religion you take things on faith in business and health you can only act on facts.

can you advise what country the Model contracted this in?

Do you know how many if any UK models have worked with the performer?

HOW LONG AGO WAS THE PERFORMER DIAGNOSED?

How many companies had he/ she worked for since his or her last test.

When has the performer been advised that he/she will have a clear test?

I find it starnge that not one UK Model has said yes I've been contacted and I'm getting a test to see if I'm positive, instead the Model has made everyone in the industry get a test now and then wait for the incubation period and test again, its a great situation he or she has created!

Outstanding!!

[Tanya Cox]

I only decided to come back to doing certed work a few days ago as we hadn't heard anything so i thought the UK was in the clear....

But now not only do we have a UK victim of syphilis but even more scary a untreatable strain on Gonorrohoea doing the rounds - these issues need to be taken seriously not just brushed under the carpet.

Will those in the know please keep us all informed on the situation and if any protocols are been put into plan.

And will everyone else please respect the victim's privacy - it doesn't matter, who has it or who gave it to who, as long as all performers who have worked with them are informed and everyone in the link is traced (i say this - as looking back to the false hiv result, everyone was demanding to know who had it and when the poor girls name got out she received lots of hate mail)

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[one eyed jack]

Hi Tanya, protocols are in place and being implemented as I write this

AITA will release a statement shortly...I guess (if I may be so bold) that they are liasing with the production company and assessing the extent of quarantine and managing it and providing support where necessary

[jimslip]

As usual as soon as the threat of infection looms its ugly head, we hear the clarion call of "Condoms for all!" and "Condoms will save us all!"

However when we look at the Syphilis microbe unless you use and wear the condom in almost laboratory conditions it can be almost useless! The Syphilis microbe is unusual in that on landing on your skin, it basically puts up a "MEN AT WORK" sign and burrows through you skin and after its made the hole, all his pals just flood in!

So lets imagine a party situation, we have say 10 men and one girl. Unbeknown to the others, one of the men has Syphilis, he knows it, but thinks if he wears the condom he wont spread it. The person running the party thinks he or she is very responsible and has a bowl full of condoms that ALL must use.

Here is the problem, the infected guy, so that no one notices the small lesion on his dick, goes to the bathroom and grabs his dick, wanks it stiff and then pulls on the condom. So far so good?

WRONG!!!!!

During the course of wanking or mucking around trying to get his dick in the condom he has transferred the very virulent microbe from the infectious lesion to his hands and the condom itself. He then leaves the bathroom and joins in groping the girl along with the other guys. All their hands running over the same areas of the girl and transferring the microbe from the infected guys hands to the girl and the other guys hands, who then transfer the microbe to their dicks and for good measure start rubbing the microbes into their secretions on their dicks thus ensuring easy travel for the microbe! Remember most of the guys will only put the condom on just BEFORE they get their turn to fuck, so having just covered their own dicks with thousands of microbes the condom just ends up as a nice, warm blanket to enclose the nasty microbe while he busily gets drilling though the victims skin!

The infected guy, with condom intact, then has his turn fucking the girl. During the mechanical action of fucking, the condom itself moves back and forth and by pump action, his infected secretions start seeping through the back of the condom and transferring to the girl. Of course she may be already sore or have thrush from all the sex and contact with the condoms, the microbes spot this weakness in her skin and scream, "Come on lads, we don't even have to drill in to this one!" Of course after the infected guy has pulled out even more infected secretions are spread to the hands of the other guys, onto their dicks and back onto and into the girl.

The maths work out roughly like this. I believe this Syphilis strain has a 60-70% transfer rate, so it is VERY virulent, so at this party and through transference from infected dick to hand to body to dick to pussy etc etc, he could infect 7 out of the 11 people at the party.........Logarithmically speaking if these same people then carry on attending parties during the incubation of the disease, hundreds more people could in turn get infected!

Originally, condoms were invented to stop unwanted pregnancies, it is only in recent years that they have become the mainstay precaution for "stopping" the spread of STD's as well.

Basically condoms CANNOT work effectively in an anarchic environment like a sex party. It is far too easy for an infected person to hide the fact and for the infectious agent to escape and transfer to others via direct contact, hand to mouth etc.

For more controlled environments, like escorting or porn shoots I would suggest the following regime, regardless of whether condoms are used or not.

BELOW IS MY OWN HYGENE REGIME AND SOME MAY THINK IT IS USELESS AND IRRESPONSIBLE AND WOULDN'T WORK, THAT'S UP TO YOU TO DECIDE!

Firstly visit Boots and buy yourself a can of Boots Anti Viral hand foam, the one WITHOUT alcohol in it. Firstly try a bit of the foam maybe under your wrist or other sensitive area just to MAKE SURE YOU ARE NOT ALLERGIC! If you experience ANY redness or reaction over 24 hours YOU MUST NOT ATTEMPT THIS REGIME! However the ingredients have been tested on thousands on Beagles over the years and doesn't seem to irritate because it has no alcohol in it. But be careful!

The idea is to make the areas most vulnerable during sex, a hostile, deadly environment for any nasty bugs to land on. This foam remains active for up to six hours in normal conditions but probably considerably less in a sex environment, but all the same BETTER than nothing at all!

15 minutes, or just before your scene or client:

1/ Scrupulously wash and shower, paying particular attention to your mid body and groin area. Dry off.

2/ Having already established you have NO sensitivity issue with the foam, wash your groin area with it and allow to dry off. The foam is tasteless and dries non-sticky.

3/ Ideally ask your client or fellow performer to at the very least, wash and shower and use the foam as well or similar normal anti-microbe wash.

From then on, for escorts, proceed with your normal strict condom use and when finished, WITHOUT DELAY rush to the bathroom, wash yourself with the foam, wait 60 seconds and then shower normally. You don't want to keep your skin in a permanent sterile state, this is why it is important to wash it off at the end. Make sure client disposes of condom carefully and washes with foam or similar. Just for good measure wipe bathroom down with bleach just to make sure!

For porn performers, I would again apply the foam half way through a scene when there is a break and again at the end and WITHOUT DELAY wash with foam , wait 60 seconds and then shower normally wash off foamed area.. Obviously urinate as well as much as possible, so drink alot of water.

The reason I say WITHOUT DELAY is that there is NOTHING an STD likes more than when you are lying about after sex, patting yourself on the back and having a post coital fag and a natter. It just gives him more time to burrow in and infect you!

In the environment of a party there is certainly no harm in leaving the foam or similar in the bathroom and asking one and all to wash thoroughly with it. Anything that makes it difficult to for the microbe HAS to be good.

NONE OF THIS IS OFFICIAL! However I did mention my idea to a doctor and he muttered, quite rightly,"Just be careful with it on your dick!"

Please don't misunderstand me, I am NOT saying condoms are useless, I am saying unless used in the most strict and hygienic and clinical way, they at best would only be partially effective and at worst, aid and abet an infection, in an anarchic, sex environment, like a sex party.

None of this is a 100% foolproof, but at least it is better than doing nothing at all!

[andy at handiwork]

And it used to be so straightforward.

[Tanya Cox]

But shouldn't they have called a shut down whilst they get all the info and trace everyone who needs to be on the quarantine list?

Everyone has been quick to call Danny & the victim unprofessional for the way they have handled it but at least they are trying to protect everyone and stop it spreading further - if we just carry on until where told otherwise then more could get infected.

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