Your turn ?

[Du Bois]

I agree with everyone here, despite the slightly differing points of view. Nevertheless, much of what has always driven the porn industry is technology. So, to some degree getting the same old stuff on the new gear is legitimate. And even the most unusual acts are well covered by now in stills, film and video. So, 3D next? Partly. For the big producers it is the hight end Colour Climax style but most of us can't compete at that level and wouldn't want to. Those of us who like to perform but are not young and physically perfect would be ruled out. Yet, there is still a market for real people porn. So, why don't we tell stories as well and make longer shows? They may do Dallas but let us do Coronation Street. Kim is right, we must work together more and Terry is right, whatever gets shot can be cut down to a 12minute scene anyway, if that is where a sale can be made.
I say let's collectivise. Pool out talents, money, contacts and efforts. I have only ever worked on a very small scale, always one scene at a time to flog to Homegrown, Your Choice or a few US and UK web sites, but I always told a story. I think there are great things about gonzo and it was very real and refreshing when it was new. Still is if the girl or couple are hot or fun or just plain nice and enjoying themselves.
But a story gives a scene with performers who are not a couple or truly attracted to each other a hook, a context that can make it work... Sorry, I've just mounted my hobby-horse.

[Marino]

ROAD TRIPS!
I want the ROAD TRIPS BACK XXX

[videokim]

Road Trips, Fuck Truck, Ben Dover, Terry's classic naughty motorway & train films...we have tried to progress for the better but in doing so have all changed style that made us well known in the first place.

Its the cheeky chapie gonzo that first made porn popular in the UK but how many films are done like this now & why not & if you did change style through peer pressure was it a change for the better?

[muswell]

Louis Theroux's recent documentary about the US porn scene suggested that the big players there are going for fewer but better (ie bigger budget) films. Don't know that the UK market can manage the budgets for a Porn version of' Iron Man' or that the style would flourish here.
For me the female component was always the attraction. I suspect that many customers collect particular "names" and follow their favourites. Posts here from people asking for more pics of someone who has caught their eye demonstrate that is common. The gonzo style is only of interest in so far as it features new and amateurish talent who seem attainable. The "Buttmans" or "Ben Dovers" are an irritating distraction otherwise. Has anyone bought a porno because they want to see more of Lindsey Honeys anatomy, or his loveable rogue humour?
The old style movies with a plot also required some acting talent and personality which is likely to be absent in most of the current crop of performers.
As far as length goes "Deep Throat" the most successful porno of all time is about 65 minutes long but is made up of scenes that are less than 5 mins long. So I would say that porno sequence should last as long as it is interesting then move on to another.

[Du Bois]

Yes Kim, as long as there is a market for what anybody does then of course they should stick to it. Unless they themselves are bored with it. But it is exactly the 'Real People" porn Britain has always done so well that is everywhere and free on the internet now. That and archive footage from last year to 1900 also free. God knows we can't invent new sex acts but surely we can invent new acts with sex in them. A new way or a return to an older way to do things and refresh the bloated, jaded viewer's interest.
Muswell is right. As far as I am concerned, it is the female element that is all important and we men are but props. Charm, looks, dick size, wit, are of little consequence. And thank heaven for that, or I would never have made a scene or earned a penny. but presentation and style and providing what the woman has to bounce off, except in the case of the most talented women, still matters. And shooting a good load of cum, when all is said and done. But how best to bring that ever changing pool of female talent to the public is what this thread is about and as usual, none of us quite agrees. Still, there is no one kind of taste in anything, happily.

[Dave Wells]

Interesting comments especially from Muswell and Du Bois. And thanks to Tel and Kim for chipping in. My question was aimed at the punters more than industry people but never mind.

I totally agree that it would be great to go way back to the Seka, Erica Boyer, Christy Canyon days and make proper movies with people that at least think they can act. I HAVE SCRIPTS READY TO GO ???!!! But here's my point with this thread. To make such movies with bigger budgets, actually pretty much like we did when Bluebird first started costs and here's the rub - I cannot see how you can now even make back your investment. You make the movie say for ?15,000-?20,000 (and that's cheap!!) and then put it out on the web and DVD ? Some bright whizzo will very soon work out it's codes to be downloaded and then it will be everywhere - FREE. Thus making it virtually impossible to even make your money back.

So formites - how can porn go on because of course it will go on for sure but how and in what shape or form ?

[one eyed jack]

Very interesting.

Reminds me of the producers behind the Final Destination films writing a public statement that the fans of the franchise have pretty much killed the chance of the next one being made because they all watched the last one online than go to the cinema.

There is huge demand for the films but due to its poor attendance at the cinema the producers have decided to not go with making any more

Seems strange to me that people would rather watch a shitty vid shot in a cinema than enjoy the high quality immersive experience of watching it in 4k res on a big screen in Real 3D!!!

That shows how sad it really is Dave. The demand is there but no money can be made from it. A very sad day when that happens.

The kick in the bolocks to this is the critic who said if they could pay les than 30 bucks to got to a cinema to watch it then it might encourage more people to go.

Heres a tip: Lay off the snacks and it will be half the cost. Porn is one thing but when you got the real big investors of feature films getting shafted out of their investment it makes us little guys making porn films look insignificant

The mindset has to change but how do you do that? How do you make money out of your investment if the demand is there but everyone wants it for free?

Thats the new business model and when the genius financial whiz kid figures it out, there will be money a plenty again.

Heres a clever gimmick...Buy a hamburger meal (or veggie if you prefer) and see the movie for free. The cost of the burger will go towards the investment of the film. The future is in there somewhere. People want something more for their money. Give them the illusion they are getting more than what they are paying for. Yes people will pay for quality but then many people will steal it too because of it. Theres no prejudice in freeloaders.

Lets face it, we've had it good for so long. Something was going to come in and change all that. Some might even call that....progress.

Bollocks you might say but it is what it is

[videokim]

Making big budget films in this current climate is more risky than its ever been but saying that some will flourish in this recession, people will always find a way of pirating media as they have done since year dot & porn will still go on.

We are racking our brains out thinking of new idea's, formula's & safe selling packages all the time like we have alway done & it will never change.
Porn will change & evolve in how its made & sold, a few of us on here can relate to this as we have seen porn become legal, birth of the internet & lots more in the years we have been making porn.

Complicated idea's don't work only the easy ones so the answer is looking at us even as we chat on here, being one of the original amateur gonzo's (first UK female gonzo) we still hold our own but it takes 3 sites now to earn what 1 was earning 2 years ago.

loyal customers that want our latest films on DVD also helps keep us afloat as every little helps & bartering with other producers & models means will can make regular films.

Terry's words... "we've had it good for so long. Something was going to come in and change all that"

Thats very true mate, there was an handful of producers making films when we started & it was an easy market selling tapes in Desire & in the Loot.

Internet meant progress & progress is a bad thing in this case as it ruined the industry, years ago you could give the pirate a good thump & they would stop selling your goods because you knew who they were but now with the internet its opened a can of worms that is just going to get worse as piracy is at its strongest & the authorities don't give a toss.

We have been looking a Chinese & Russian technology in media formats & its now spreading through out the amateur scene because they can send out films in top quality HD at a fraction of the price to conventional European & American Blu Ray.

The Pro industry don't seem to talk as much as the amateurs holding their cards closer to their chests & this is sad because you guys are the masters at what you have..a .wealth of untapped knowledge wasted.

[Dave Wells]

"what you have..a .wealth of untapped knowledge wasted" yep, I am definitely going to waste Kim you are bang on the button there !

[Du Bois]

Going live is one way of using the internet in ways that cannot be pirated. Live shows are a new thing in porn and can be developed beyond a girl or two, or a couple web-caming. Yet something more personal than the stuff done by the folks at shebangtv and its ideal young models. And as I said before, we should think more in terms of 1/2 or hour long soaps or light hearted TV than feature films. Parky or East Enders, not Avatar. There is both gonzo or fictional on telly and so could we be. That would be a way of adapting the gonzo or real people porn style to new circumstances, or doing cheap and cheerful scripted scenes with an open-ended story so people tune in again. Some websites have done that awhile, after a fashion. And, as Kim said earlier, working together more. Anyone want to explore this, give me an email.