Re: DODGY TOG IN BRISTOL 7-2-10

[73985]

Hi.
I'm John, and the alleged "Dodgy Tog in Bristol".

It's been brought to my attention that certain things have been said about me, and I feel it only fair that I have the right of reply. As if I don't put a stop to it now it will continue as gossip and Chinese whispers forever and a day.

I am not here to justify or give dignity to any comments or statements made with regards to me. Enter into any on line slanging match. Or get into some "he said", "she said" debate.

I could, if I chose, be equally if not more detrimental in my response. But see no valid justification in doing so, as it isn't my way: and unlike the 'model' I don't feel that it would be an appropriate use of this forum to effectively assassinate someone's character on a site where, had I not have been advised of this, it would have remained unchallenged.

Neither would it be appropriate to pass any precise comment on issues which, although historically personal to the complainant, would go a long way towards providing an explanation as to how there has been a process of transference to me.

The model/complainant raised issues with another website about me which, upon investigation, were found to be a minor "misunderstanding":in relation to the model/complainant "being made to sleep on a sofa",and I was reinstated immediately. After which I took time out to address issues with her through email. Which taking into consideration her other personal difficulties which were not in relation to me, I did so in a manner which I believe was polite, diplomatic and with tact.

However. Not content with this the model/complainant then took it upon herself to somewhat bizarrrely upscale her vitriol to me then "sucking her vibrator?" - and so it has progressed.

Now if there was an option to include music to the drama at this point, you'd be hearing the theme tune to the 'X Files', playing in the background.

Light hearted distraction aside. Those of us who have been around long enough will be all too familiar with the many stories that drift around this business from time to time. Generally speaking. I personally find it very sad that girls somehow feel the need to take the misguided approach in channeling their sometimes questionable talents towards promoting and ingratiating themselves, by bringing others into disrepute.

Of course what they don't realise is, that in doing so, they make themselves untrustworthy and unemployable by others who would consider engaging them. Because at the end of the day no one wants to risk employing someone who is liable to accept their hospitality and generosity and then stab them in the back afterwards.

In this business you don't bite the hand that feeds you if you want to progress up the ladder: and anyone who chooses to use this route will need to make full use of their fifteen minutes of fame while it lasts. As afterwards they'll be very quickly forgotten about and their career over before its off the ground.

In hindsight I should have taken more notice of the fact that this model/complainant was actually being quite negative about other photographers she had previously worked with. But as this was done in quite a disarming way it quite frankly slipped by me rather than ringing alarm bells in my head of maybe what was to come.

I'm sure it will spring into some readers minds that there's no smoke without fire: and indeed there is. When someone feels they have to use personal attack as the best form of defense; as the model/complainant has done against me it brings their integrity into question, and I would hope that anyone of reasonable intelligence could quite quickly read through the lines of what has been written about me and realise that it actually says more about the person who wrote it.

I'm the first to admit when I'm working it's at a high level of intensity because I throw every bit of energy I have at it into making it work, and become become very passionate about getting things right. Which people misinterpret as me being pushy, when in fact I'm not. Sometimes I may have a few very short bursts of appearing 'artistically difficult' , or as some have called it, "One of my Gordon Ramsay', moments. But I am a stickler for having everything done exactly how I want them at that time. Because in a split second it might be gone. Lost forever.

So when I receive so much positive feedback from people I work with it's a very sad day indeed when something not so favourable is written. So in complete contrast here is something from a new model called Aimie, which I believe says everything which needs to be said about me.

" i absolutely love all of my photo's ...you were so great to work with made me feel very comfortable and happy and helped me to adjust to a new surrounding completely .. xxx"

There are equally many more who would leap to my defense in an instant.

[73985]

Those who have been following this particular thread will, I'm sure, be as dumbfounded as me upon reading the following email I received (10/2/10) from the Model/Complainant, soon after she posted such unsubstantiated personal and defamatory remarks about me on this site:

"Hello John,

Can you please send me a SIGNED model release john, the model release is invalid without your signature. I have a prospective buyer for my pictures and a fully signed copy is needed.

Thanks

Kimmy".


Now to someone of modest intelligence like myself, it took a few times of reading before I actually began to believe what was written and sent to me.

First the Model/Complainant, in an unwarranted and unprovoked personal attack, goes out out of her way: and by the nastiest and most vindictive means possible, to launch into me.

Having done so. She sends a very nice and polite email (completely ignoring what she had written previously on this site), asking me to send a model release form with my signature on it, so she can sell pictures which she doesn't own; is negotiating with another buyer/other buyers to purchase. With the expectation that I will cooperate.

Just to clarify my own thought process, am I right in thinking this? Or have I just missed something in translation?

I mentioned this email to a very good industry colleague of mine who, after a long pause replied. "It's not very often I'm stunned into silence". Which was followed by a further equally long pause.

I'm not someone who bears anger, resentment, or grudges against anyone. I find it pointless: and life is far too short. If anything, I'm very accepting and tolerant of people. I think in this industry one has to be, and it's good practice to be so.

When on the very rare occasion there are issues with someone, they are dealt with in a mature and dignified way, with that person directly. We certainly don't lower ourselves to the level of washing what others may consider to be our 'dirty laundry', in any public forum. However tempting it may be at that time.

More often that not it is simply the case of a very minute misunderstanding being blown up out of all reasonable proportion. But being human; and in the heat of the moment, any one of us can get 'really into' whatever anger we feel and embellish otherwise very basic: and to others perhaps, seemingly uninteresting facts, and sensationalise them so as to grab attention.

Let's not forget that the gutter press; red top newspapers, depend on this modus operandi to generate sales and keep themselves in business. Because basically we, as a society, have been conditioned into believing we need this information. When the reality is, it's actually a self feeding process which keeps the profits rolling in. As those who subscribe to it, support and enable it to grow: and grow so well. Which is why the Murdoch empire; for instance, is arguably as globally 'obese' as it has become.

I have maintained throughout the sorry and unnecessary saga of the Model/Complainant in this matter, that what she has written and how she has written it say far more about her than me.

I am more than happy to give a model who works with me access to any pictures she would like for her own portfolio, and to promote herself.

But on this occasion; and for patently obvious reasons, I have not unreasonably I feel, declined.

As I have stated in a previous posting my feeling all along is that there were deeper issues which were nothing to do with me, and which this came about through.

Her very generous over use of colourful and imaginative illustrations might make for a very interesting and juicy read to those who are easily influenced by it. But when you consider the email sent asking me for the pictures. You have to consider that it exposes a far greater amount of doubt as to the truth in her: please remember, wildly unsubstantiated allegations in the first place.

[Sarah Kelly]

Am i right in assuming you paid for the pics and got a model release as if so,end of,surely?Even if its a paid shoot,I would have thought supplying a few promo pics of their work to girls they shot with(perhaps watermarked)would showcase their work and how great they made the girl look..... and is free marketing for them if used..x

[73985]

Hiya.

Thank you very much for that.

You've raised a very good point.

The deal was that I would give up a couple of days out of my busy schedule to help someone build a portfolio who didn't really have one.

Admittedly it was going to cost me in terms of not doing other paid work. But every once in a while I think it's good to be able to offer someone who at the outset looks as if they stand a more than reasonable chance of getting somewhere, to have several hundred pounds worth of my images.

It's very good promotion for me.

I'll happily put someone up for a day or so. Feed them, offer them the run of my home to treat it as they would their own. Whatever hospitality I am able to offer, as it's far and away cheaper and more convenient than having the expense of a hotel. I take people out to lunch and treat anyone as well as I possibly can.

I'm sure Samara Sands would happily verify this.

All of which I happily do at no cost whatsoever. As I know If it was the other way around and I was given the choice, I'd take the cheaper option any day. But then I'm just financially careful like that. I don't spend money I don't need to.

The downside. If there is one. Is that whoever stays has to sleep on a very comfortable and expensive, sumptuous sofa. Many do with no complaint whatsoever. Furthermore I would like to make it clear: here and now, that I do NOT force anyone into doing something they don't want to do! It's unproductive.

But back to the original point.

I was very happy to shoot pictures that we could both benefit from without any fees being exchanged. That was the deal: and if I could get my investment back from selling pictures of the shoot: or use them for my own promotional purposes, then it makes good financial sense to me to do it.

Clearly what I hadn't anticipated for was the fact that someone who spent her non-shooting time laughing and joking, would then completely change character and run me right into the ground.

I don't expect to be stabbed in the back when all I've tried to do is my very best for someone, who while working, showed no sense of humour and became very difficult.

Clearly from my personal point of view this is a model I wouldn't choose to work with again as I wouldn't trust anyone who could do this. Ever again.

[erotic images]

with the greatest of respect you have still skirted around the questions posed on other threads

1) did you try to persuade her to do boy /girl and offer to "practice" with her without putting it on film untill she had got it right

2) did you lick her vibrator and make Sick comments

3) If you agreed TFP then you should honour your agreement whether it suits you or not a deal is a deal full stop

4) just out of intrest are you the same guy that used to be Pink Angels "manager" and you organise bukake and gang bang parties

simple answers to the above is all that is needed rather than going off on various tangents and avoiding the questions

[73985]

I have been both diligent and forthright in providing a full, frank and appropriate response with regards to this matter: and in the context of which I have made it very clear that it is not policy to engage in any discussion based on groundless defamatory remarks.

I have neither agreed to, or sanctioned it to become a matter of public
domain, and any dealings I have with a complainant is of private concern.

If any individual chooses to bring a matter with regard to this business
into the public domain, and on such rare occasion when this happens, I will not engage in debate. Nor justify or dignify any comments or statements made which are of a wholly unprecedented personal attack or of similar nature: and none of which should be interpreted as any form of admission or denial with regard to any allegations made against me.

There is no value in responding where the outcome would only be to satisfy
innately curious minds.

As far as I am concerned the matter is now closed

[Naomixxx]

Well said Mr Mysterious.
But he's not the only one on this forum " to say in 50 lines what could be said in 10 words". Some would do well to adopt the saying, "Less is more!"

Naomi XXX

[Matt P]

John by posting here you have engaged in debate. Mr Mysterious is spot on with evaluation of you responses thuse far. Prose should be used to enlighten not disguise & by your unecessary & over use of multi-syllabic words does nothing to actually address the concerns performers, producers & fans have.
You would do well to refer to the orignal post & also Dave's (erotic images) very concise response on this post. It would've favoured you better if you had taken each point made & addressed or disputed the mas appropriate. Although I do not know Kimmy Personally I've shared messages with her & she does not seem to be a malicious person, in face she seems very sweet & charming, so I am certain there is substance to what she says, you have yet have offfered no effective rebuttal.

Grandiose & over stylised prose actually makes you come across as less articualte. I am not intreseted in a witch hunt or kangeroo court but posters particulary on this thread are trying to do you a favour & help you make a case but you just seem reluctant to take it. The safety & well being of performers is the priority to us all.

Take it from someone who does walk on the pretentious side of posting & concerntrate less on the words & more on what you want to say.

[Isabel Dean]

Is this http://www.harmonysocial.com/members/profile/3201 ??