Models doing extras???

[thebangkokbanger]

So what the model is getting paid and is up for it so its fair game if you ask me.

[Daz Savage]

Well obviously this is a subject that a lot of people have definite opinions on.
Some people have understood me perfectly whilst others seem to have got the wrong end of my particular stick.
Let me be clear... We all work (in different areas) of the adult industry - if industry it is. We tiptoe through a forest of different sexual behavior in order to provide a form of sexual service to a faceless 3rd-party. For me this is acceptable and palatable. This is something I have no problem with and can have great fun doing. I have been trying to get film comapnies and producers to take an interest in giving us a forum to put our case in the form of a documentary but every time I feel that I'm getting anywhere the same question rears its ugly head... that the porn industry is just a place where any man with a camera can pay a girl for a fuck.
Now I'm not stupid - sex is what we do at one level or another and anyway the outcome is the same - sexual gratification for the 3rd party. Nevertheless, the way we portray ourselves goes a long way to cutting our own throats sometimes. Instead of sounding like professional performers our adverts for work in the biz sound like we a re desperate for a fuck. My desperation is to create great images that I can be proud of (glamour, art or porn!) and pay my bills with them.
The phrasing we use when advertising the sites we have is a different matter since our customers freely join in with the fantasy that the girls they see are 'up for it' and 'ready for anal action' etc blah. But personally I avoid anyone who is more interested in fucking than working.
I used to be a climbing instructor and loved the job to bits but wold you have hired me to take you and your family climbing if I advertised myself as a "rock-climbing nut who just loves the feel of rope in his hands... yeah baby gimmie some slack and watch your cross-gate-loading... mmm"
Utter nonsense.

There's nothing wrong with POV as it's an accepted for of porn and many people are cool with it - just like every other area of the biz and enthusiastic performers are always better than disinterested ones (unless that's your customers kick)... and people who do this 'part-time' can be as professional as anyone else (sometimes more so in my experience). But it personally screws my tits off to be knocked-back by a potential new model simply because they have a friend who has had an experience that can only be described as sex with some pictures on the side!

I have heard tales recently from one girl about a friend who agreed to a job where she was sucking the cameraman's cock (and all was well i the world) until the cameraman put the camera down in order to thoroughly enjoy the experience... apparently he didn't take any more pictures and just asked her if she was available next week! The girl went home distressed since she had agreed to being paid for photographs of her doing oral but wold never have agreed to just doing oral for money.
Now everyone she knows has been warned off ALL of us.

This kind of thing can happen anywhere and it's a pitfall we just have to live with but sometimes I get the feeling that we, all of us, tolerate ourselves sounding like these people a little too much.

Basically my experience of new models and their horror stories has caused me to entirely rethink my strategy and I'm moving away from my previous work as a direct result. Tara will still dictate to me the levels she wants to do and I will acquiesce to her decisions on what to publish and what not to publish... but as for my own projects I will be concentrating entirely on fun nudity, flashing and art-nude. This decision will, no doubt, impinge seriously on my income but so what?

[videokim]

With attitudes like that this is why some photographers/videographers don't last long, if its a gonzo shoot or POV where the guy says hes in the film from the start fair enough but the girls are not there just to service some guy because he can't do his job right.

John

[Fred Gilmour]

Well done to UglyDaz for making this topic.

To many people with digital cameras and little video cameras posing as photographers / production teams. The "oh i have to hide my face" or wear a mask, the footage wont show a face of the male performer, what scum.

They want to perform and be true porn people, but have to hide!!!!! I bet half the girls, if not all of them DONT know that the male faces are hidden. These people are going around boosting its, cheaper to shag a model than an escort, all you have to do is pose with a camera. WTF!!!!

To Be-seen-here.
Your first posting in this set is spot on, totally support your views. Has to be some silky git of a salesman wanting to screw over the models in the industry.

Theres a few pictures on the internet that allow us to view these so called hidden people and as they are on the public domain, i think they should be shown. Facebook and other sites now have these so called hidden scum porn performer /site owners on them, so i think they should be shown here.

[Daz Savage]

My point exactly.

[Daz Savage]

^^^"These people are going around boosting its, cheaper to shag a model than an escort, all you have to do is pose with a camera. WTF!!!!"^^^
Exactly my point distilled into one sentence... And then people wonder why this industry has such a piss-poor reputation. Tossers turning models into prostitutes is all we need right?
Basically, does your advert for work make you look like a model or a sex-worker?
Does your advert for a model make you look like a porn producer, a pimp or a John?

You only have to look at ads here from BensonMedia to see how it can be done perfectly well. They even have wishlists of girls to 'subdue' (lol), train and 'splat' all over. But nowhere is there even the hint that this is anything other than a job for the girls as well as the guys - a fun job for all concerned but nevertheless a job.

Of course in this biz there's always the possibility of other things going on bts... but to assume, expect and advertise this is a poor substitute for professionalism and does little more than turn performers into whores and put of potential newcomers.
Often I post on here about how difficult it is to find newbies in the UK but till now I've never considered this as one of the factors - maybe it really is!
I know from experience that this way of promoting oneself is rare in the US industry and they are awash with newbie models.
Maybe we're not just flushing our reputations down the pan here - maybe we're cutting our own throats to boot!

[Holly D]

I could not agree with you more.
I personally have always avoided the whole "Im so horny and desperate for cock, please book me" type of posts but still the majority of the offers of work I get are from guys wanting to do pov shoots for thier private collection. I am constantly telling people that I am a model, not a whore. I get paid for my time and the right to use my image.

[Fred Gilmour]

Spot on again:
"Tossers turning models into prostitutes is all we need right?" can see the tossers saying " well we pay the girls" but theres more to it. These tossers arnt the real porn industry, they want to get their kicks for cheap and the tell everyone who they have F****d and how much, its almost like a little gang. Their website are a front and they use them to draw good models into being no more than cheap entertainment.

Benson Media, stunning adverts, outstanding site and they're always open and honest in their presentation.
Killergram, another full on, great site, great girls and lots of updates.

The list could go on and on of the good ones, but cant name the bad ones, we'd lose a positive post, not cause of the people who run this forum/site, but the tossers will moan.

But look at the sites you work for girls, how many times a month is an update, once, twice, one in 3 months. With a named stud or the guy with a camera? If its a good site you'll see the guy/s all over it aswell (not that we want to see) but why hide, if nothing is wrong?? Guys who perform in this industry lose work to these scum, who want an easy shag!

[satine spark]

Haha Scott...chill dude.

Can't wait to speak to everyone at the UKAP party though, there are soo many people I have yet to meet!

Yea from some of the guys I know in the states, they say that the companies etc are WAY more fussy than over here.
They are very professional over there and take it all very seriously from what I've heard.

I think people over here should sometimes be a bit more like that. Of course not everyone as I have worked with plenty of people who are very professional.
But there is always one trying to book me via text messages or facebook etc. I mean that is a little unprofessional is it not?

A good old fashioned phone call goes a long way with me!

Satine xXx

[Paul Taylor]

your right columbia I have heard of this sort thing, however I have never seen the point in offering a model samples then asking for some free content etc. Just pay for the content for gods sake, if your a tog or producer that makes money or at least a living must know the costs involved for shoots and the different levels without having to cut corners.

If you like the look of a model for your projects then book her, it's a gamble with any new cummer or even known model for that matter, but at least you can look up known models performances before deciding whether they are right for your scenes.

I am all for helping models and giving advice, but mine is free, and I dont want anything in return, but thats just me.

Shame that people have to get things in return, sexual favours, free content or otherwise, can't people just do people a favour as a good deed? We were all new to this business once werent we??? we all know what it's like.

Paul