Why is the British porn industry so tame?

[James King]

Wow, some quite interesting responses. Wasn't expecting so many but i guess it must be subject that people feel quite strongly about?
I agree, anything we do over here from music to comedy to porn has a distinct UK flavour to it and i think that is definitely a good thing. In porn like film we are some way behind America which means the end product is going to be different, not as professional but usually more real. I'm certainly not big on the American way but I like the fact they are free to do anything and are willing to try just about anything. Yes they follow a formula but so does everyone else, and yes they produce more shite then anyone else but because they produce so much more you are bound to find a bit more quality you just have to look long enough.
I can't believe someone on this site actually cast their judgement on the rest of us who do enjoy and get off on plain right dirty uninhibited hardcore!? Just like you can't choose who you fall in love with you can't choose what turns you on! As long as its all amongst consenting adults thats fine. Just to make my point about what i wanted to say about America is yes, loads of it is complete rubbish but when they get it right, they make really horny films that will make your cock harder than any mainstream porn ever did.
It's nearly all down to the female performer I think because if they are into it and enjoying it so will you. Someone said about Gonzo being shit and the best videos are european where the girls are beautiful, the stages are great ect... but these are the type of girls that start moaning before anything is even inside them. So what if they are beautiful, if they don't like to get fucked hard my cock will equally not go hard. That may not be the mainstream response but I know i'm not alone on that one.
Yes you will make more money producing mainstream porn but as i was suggesting in my first post, part of the reason I got into this was because mainstream porn did nothing for me and I wanted to make porn the way I would like to see it. May not be as possible but i say well done to anyone who can make money and have some fun doing it!
So maybe 'tame' wasn't the right word to use but it got your attention. There is nothing wrong with British porn but i do think there is a lot of room for improvement and a bit more variety.
Thanks for the trailer Benson, it actually reminded me of a site i quite like called sexandsubmission. DOnt know if anyone has seen it but some of the scenes are out of this world and really are fantasy and some of the girls they have are so into it that it makes you wish you were there so much. Now that is a sign of a good porn film!
Benson madia good work, I would be quite intersted in doing some work with you if that's the kind of stuff you produce or want to produce more of!
So thanks for all the informitive responses, some interesting reading! I personally now feel that the best way forward for UK porn is to take a leaf out of our american counterparts whilst keeping a british feel to it. Although I still feel there are different angles and new ways of working and filming that have yet to be introduced...

[jimslip]

Thats us you see, the quaint old British! Call us strange, but many of us nutty Brits, don't like seeing women, slapped, abused, humiliated, spat on, vomited on etc etc.

You see, we actually, LIKE women!! Maybe we're a little old fashioned. I have always believed that men who make the porn you would call "Untame" actually have a serious psychological problem in the way that they relate to women in general. so, being that they can't actually go out and rape or murder them (Cos its illegal) they make nasty porn instead. This keeps them busy and helps keep the prison population down.

The market for ultra hard porn is rapidly being overtaken by a new market of those who like perhaps a gentler kind of approach. This is not just in the UK but worldwide, hence the collapse of DVD sales in the US and Europe.

I would say we Brits are in fact far ahead of the Americans, this is because of the vice-like grip that the saddo, misogynistic producers have on your industry still. God, you lot churn out this shit as if they are sausages on a string! I give you Max Hardcore as a prime example.

[James King]

You respect women so much you have a site with a strapline - uk street sluts, hmmm interesting... please show me how i am meant to treat these sluts, sorry i mean women
I was actually talking more about slight domination, having control and when a woman loses her inhibitions infront of the camera and will do just about anything because she is so turned on. That to me is so horny. I cetainly didn't mention vomitting and spitting and things like that.
No need to be calling anybody names over an open conversation (i don't know about old fashioned but i heard some brits were quite uptight?
I respect women I suspect a lot more than some but what goes on between consenting adults in porn is down to them and if they are both happy doing it what is the problem? I think a lot of the population watch porn because they don't want to have sex the 'old fashioned way' and want to see something raunchy and a bit wild... things they could only dream of doing!! Not abusive or degrading but definitely not dead eyes and fake moans...

[steveb]

Fascinating, although I'd be lying if I said I could follow exactly what you were getting at?

What I did get is that the address on your post is Amsterdam.

I'm pretty sure that's not actually part of the UK?

People don't follow the industry, the industry follows the people or the industry makes a lot less money. That's always been true and always will be.

Whatever the industry.

[videokim]

Amateurs have most of the UK market so hate them or like them they are here to stay, the only difference with Am & Pro is money & camera's. The content is as exciting with a real touch even though the quality not always brilliant.
Lots of the people we know have been going many years like us & still use normal camera's, if the format works why improve it because if customers think you have gone pro they pass you by. There is a massive industry 10 times bigger than the pro scene right under our nose which is turning out great films, we want to set up a forum for amateurs (Pro people will be just as welcome) with the help of a web-master we know so they can chat, swap ideas & most imortantly talk about the future changes on the internet which will affect everyone. Enjoy both Am & Pro as you would Dinner & Sweet as they are both different & both needed by the customer.

[Benson_Media]

I agree. Compelling video is watchable no matter what camera it's filmed on. Boring, dull action will always be boring dull action even if it's filmed on a pro camera.

However, when I first referred to amateurs I was relating to my past experience. When I started over ten years ago bondage enthusiasts (like myself, House of Gord, Hogtied) started filming their scenes. They started to gain 'fans' who wanted to see more. They were shown more via websites.

These websites became paysites, which in turn necessitated giving the fan/customer value for money. Value for money means better scripted scenes, better lighting and of course better cameras.

There is a point where an amateur does have a responsiblilty to start thinking like a professional..even if it's just because he/she gave up their day job and need to feed their kids.

Kim's right. There is a place for everything and everyone in our industry. I just started filming Bukkakeslave i a documentary style. This is a departure to me. I'm used to edited footage, B-roll and even shootinf second unit stuff. The footage I'm using for Bukkakeslave has an 'amateur' feel to it, but that's what I wanted. Voyeuristic, first person feel.

BTW, myself, House of Gord and Hogtied..some of the biggest fetish companies in the United States are owned and run by Brits.

[Trumpton]

James King wrote:

> It seems as though the UK is still far behind America and the
> rest of Europe which is really quite upsetting from a male
> performer's point of view.

And what about the male customers point of view?

> I am not surprised I hardly ever see any really hard cocks
> in British porn because quite simply it just isn't horny enough.

You haven't seen Phil Sutcliffe's one in "action" then?