Did anyone watch the programme on 4 last night

[BillBXD]

Jayr Gonzo is the same in the US as the UK it?s just the fcuking researchers got it wrong again last night. Gonzo is and will always be a method of shooting with the subject matter being from the viewer?s point of view. Early Gonzo was based on how the ABC network shot their Vietnam correspondence as in the guys always spoke to the camera. Many people claim to have created Gonzo but 3 years ago I was fortunate enough to be in the states and goggling slack jawed at a shoot of Adam?s (seemore butts) who assured me that Gonzo was created by a guy called Eddie Gonzorelly. I can?t say that?s gospel as during the Nam war is was a mere boy! According to AVN Rob Black and Max Hardcore shoot a style regarded as GRUNGE which came out of Max?s early stuff which was proclaimed as Gagshag. Both Rob Black and Max Hardcore are in general outcast in the US porn industry because of their styles of Fcuk the bitch up shooting though the programme last night forgot to mention that! GRUNGE is in the UK and is getting bigger on the back of the British girls who go over to the US and bring back the style so as everything else does it will get bigger. On a personal note I?m not a fan as it fuels the fire to control UK porn because them that tell us what to watch feel left to our own devices we?ll fcuk it up.

As I said in a previous post, why take part in these programmes?

[stripeysydney]

I always thought that "Gonzo" was first coined by Hunter s. thompson ,but there you go!

[BillBXD]

It may well have been

[jimslip]

Anyone who thinks that porn will ever be presented in a positive way on TV is dreaming. I can only warn anyone, who is tempted by Telly Luvvies to participate in one of their "Serious documentaries", that there will always be 1 outcome, you will be made to look sad.

The only people involved in porn in the UK who are being discussed in a positive way are, producers from an upper middle class background who have chosen porn as an acceptable living.

Certainly I've read a couple of in-depth articles in The Sunday Times, celebrating the rise of Toffs in the UK porn business.

Remember that journalists and TV producers generally come from this background. So beware, unless you are in porn and have a rich family background and ideally read the classics at Cambridge, you will get fucked over!

The UK is still as class ridden as it was in the 19th Century.

[Bruce Barnard]

Having just finished a book about UK smut it came as no surprise to get pleading phone calls from a number of bright eyed TV researchers looking for assistance on this project early last year.

Sadly Jim is 100% bang on the money, the aim was always to present a cynically minded documentary on porn as a modern day ?freak show?. You?ll wait for many more years before you finally find a TV programme that focuses on happy people, without moral hang-ups, getting paid to fuck themselves senseless in front of a camera. A pro-porn documentary wouldn?t make it past the pitching stage, all the commissioning channels want is under-lit starlet interviews, doom laden supporting music, sleazy producers and the chance to expose knockers to the post-pub audience whilst still managing to maintain the moral high ground.

It?s ironic given the financial exploitation of researchers and work experience folk trying to get a start in the TV business, a recent report indicating that they work under minimum wage and are generally treated like shite by their multi-national media employers. Who?s getting exploited here, a 20 year old media student working a 90 hour week for ?175 or someone filming a three hour anal scene for ?350?

On a separate note: avoid ?Trisha? like the fucking plague, it?s pure poison.

[jimslip]

I did an item for LWT a few years, where they featured some of the boy/girl shows that I had produced. The point of the programme was "Porn For Women", so they showed some of my programmes that leant towards this.

Anyway, they got my comments etc and then they showed my programmes to a selected group of DONKEY-JACKETED, CROP HAIRED LESBIANS for their comment, telling them of course that the shows had been made by a male porn director and guess what happened???

They all screamed hysterically at the screen, saying what a pile of crap it all was.

What they DIDNT know, was that the plots of my shows had in fact come from a woman...........I wonder what the reaction would have been if they'd known.

Anyway the moral of the story is avoid the TV media AT ALL COSTS!

[DanLav]

Any documentary on any subject will always mould to the opinion of those who make them. The belief that documentaries 'document' the truth is bollocks, look at Michael Moore's recent films for example.

Almost all of the documentaries I've seen on porn do tend present the performers as fragile, emotionally scarred innocents who are corrupted by evil producers......actually that is true in some cases, but there is the more pleasent side, girls who love sex and get paid very well for it, shoots where everyone has a great time etc.

According to the documentaries I've seen recently, shooting porn is only ok if you're Anna Span.

[Bruce Barnard]

Please bear with me during the lengthy preamble:

Media hypocrisy when it comes to sex is so profound it can make even the most level headed of us start dreaming of arriving at the Met Bar armed with an AK47.

Recently I was writing up a gay porn shoot that myself and a friend organised in France. At the time more then two men fucking in the same room in the UK was considered ?gross indecency? and liable for police action (not to mention that the BBFC wouldn?t classify lavender gang bangs because they breached the law) so we decided to undertake a freedom fighting vibe and set things up with a director I?d interviewed.

Months later the completed DVD arrives and a group of us hang round to watch the finished film (with our fingers on the fast forward button I should state for the record). As we watch four men ploughing into each other a broadcaster I?d invited makes the following statement: ?This is OK, but I could never watch a women in the same situation. They would have to be really desperate to do this for the money?.

He sums up the mainstream media outlook on women in porn in one sentence: ?Any women consenting to this must be really badly damaged?.

In summary, the middle class folk who work in television still subscribe to the misguided theory that women are precious flowers who are some how ?twisted? if they display a sex drive that deviates from missionary position sex once a week.

This will always cloud the documentary filmmakers view point and leads to the rash of clich?d programmes that we?ve witnessed lately.

Like Jim said, treat all enquires from TV folk on the same level as making a pact with Satan unless they offer final edit approval.

[jimslip]

Recently BBC1 was showing explicit gay material at 9.00am in the morning! It was acceptable because it was featuring gay men. Straight men and women would have been banned immediately!

[jimslip]

Anna Span gets featured because she's a woman and therefore politically correct to feature in a positive light. It is the same for gay scene.