old euro sleaze films

[stefano romantico]

Hej, to you all . Iam looking for people who like sleazy euro films . Are there anybody who like talking about these films ? Or are you just into new style ? I love flms by jess franco , erwin c. dietrich und joe damato . That is why i just joined this board . The other boards are only about new porno . I hope this one is different . sincerely , stefano romantico

[Len801]

Can't understand the fascination with Franco or D'Amato.
Their hc and mainstream work was quite ordinary and undistinguished, unlike what Radley Metzger was able to accomplish.
Just because someone makes a lot of movies and is popular that does not make them exctradordinarily cinematically accomplished. I liken the careers of D'Amato and Franco to John Holmes, a rather average performer (and I am being generous) who was extremely popular but who was unable to really elevate his lengthy and prolific work to high cinema art.

[Bad Samaritan]

Franco, Dietrich, and D'Amato. I wonder how you manage to put these three into the same category. I guess you're referring to D'Amato's exploitation works in the 1970s, not his later outright pornographic films.

[stefano romantico]

Danke for your replys . For you bad samaritan , Iam speaking about the 70s for joe damatos films . The first legally distributed porno in italy was sesso nero . In my opinion a genius film , written by luigi montefiori . For you Len801 , To me jess franco is the most artistik of them all . I know you are going to disagree mit me as alot of people will . Meine favourite film from him ist lo specchio del piacere the itallian hard versione . I love the establishing shots , locations , story , lighting , music , acting , erotisme, of course alice arno , lina romay , emma cohen und especially one of my favourite euro sleaze aktors howard vernon . Bad samaritan i know you are an expert on gonzo und internet porn well i am an expert on euro sleaze films . I love these old films mit a passione . sincerely , stefano romantico

[Len801]

We can disagree for ever on this, but I can't see what is this fascination with Jess Franco. I have seen a few very early films and his latest ones, and I saw no improvement in his cinematic skills at all. Very prolific but it was a question of quantity over quality. Howard Vernon put me to sleep.
I am tired of chasing his cut and "uncut" movies, they make no sense either way. The only ineresting performer (at least for her exotic looks) in his movies may have been Lina Romay, but that's about it.

[Bad Samaritan]

stefano, I don't claim expertise on any kind of pornography but you're misled by your affinity with me from another 'platform'. Check my contributions (mainly the reviews signed 'B. S.' or 'Bad Samaritan') at the EGAFD, you'll find that I'm no gonzo chaser in any sense.

[stefano romantico]

Hej Len801, Maybe your not meant to understand franco films . I only saw two shot on video productions of his und i did not like them . That is what i said in my last message is that alot of people are going to disagree mit me und that is fein by me . To you bad samaritan , I did not know you are into eurosleaze . What a nice surpreiss . I will look at your reviews . Oh by the way, have you seen this really nice french sleaze film , in anglisch it is called the awakening of annie ? It is from 1973 . I really love this film . Gonzo, reality und komputer porn are the enemy of kreativity und i am super kreativ . That is why i am the opposer . From the bottom of my heart , stefano romantico

[beutelwolf]

I would say about all three, Dietrich, Franco and d'Amato that they are hit & miss, and more miss than hit. There is an awful lot of junk in the output of any of them.

In the junk/decent-stuff ratio I would rank Dietrich the best of the three, because some of his early films have intriguing plot/characters (like Die Neffen des Herrn General), and some of his late stuff (e.g. Julchen & Jettchen) is stylish and very well photographed. But his 1973-75 phase was dire, one sub-standard undistinguished film after another.

D'Amato's straight erotic films are not bad, though not really great either, but his US-style erotic thrillers are shite.

Franco has a huge output, but is (unsurprisingly) very formulaic and repetitive. And you do get tired of his regular cast (Howard Vernon, Paul Muller, Monica Swinn, Ramon Ardid,...), not only because of their frequent appearances, but because they seem to play the same role every time...

There are reasons why they are rated by some. In the UK, in the 1980s and 1990s the erotic section in your local video library/retailer was awash with video releases that were barely identifiable from their covers. Most of these turned out to be softcore versions (cut to ribbons) of shot-on-video US porn. Gruesome! Because of the rather anonymous covers getting yourself an erotic video was then a bit of a lucky dip, and you could count yourselves lucky if you found something from our three sleaze merchants - relatively speaking. What lifted them above other Eurosleazians was simply the sheer volume of their output, creating a bit of a brand.

[stefano romantico]

To beutelwolf, Iam glad you responded . The movies of today are shite . Iam sure i would appreciate the devil came from akasawa by franco which i hated in the past because of low nudity , the stewardesses in its unkut form by dietrich , i saw the heavily kut versione when i was very young . There is a movie that is kredited to franco but it was somebody else who really directed it kalled in anglisch oasis of the the living dead . i dont like that film even though i love france lomay , they only show her tits . My favourite italian horror film is orgasmo di satana by mario bianchi montero . My favourite italian giallo ist giallo a venezia by mario landi . There are so many euro sleaze films that i love . Iam the opposer of gonzo, reality und komputer porn because it is the enemy of kreativity und iam super kreativ . From the bottom of my heart , stefano romantico Oh , by the way has anybody hier ever seen giochi carnali(hard versione ), senza buccia(unkut versione) und profondo sesso(unkut versione) ? Iam trying to get these on dvd but i cant find them . cheers

[aolo100]

Can you name any good directors?

I like the directors francis leroi, gerard lebeau, burd tranbaree and whoever directed "Secretaries Sans Cullote" ? one of my favorite films.

I've seen a few of d'mato's hardcore films and i don't think they're terrible. There's way too much gratuitus fucking, but the films also have a plots and budgets for costumes and sets.

However, keep in mind that i'm american and it's not easy to get good euro porn here!