Billian loops

[DavidS]

Hello mulholand, I am a little confused too about this. E.g. I had always assumed that Massagesalon Elvira was a loop taken from Eine Verdammt Heisse Braut, but I think you may be right, it is a loop inserted into that film. It is further complicated by the fact that the actor who plays the salon manager is in the main film. I once saw a cover for a floppy disk version of the film with Christa Abel, an actress it is not easy to confuse with anyone else, in bridal wear, but I believe now this might have been the result of a publicity photoshoot. Her part in the actual film seems to be just a very short scene in Massagesalon Elvira. As I have remarked in another thread Billian seems to have done similar things with the series Familie Immerscharf. I am never keen on supplying too much information to websites. Orgazmik are a Swiss company and you only have to give them your details when you actually order, but the German sites and Yahoo adult sites require information just to browse. Anyway keep making the posts, the forum now has about a half dozen knowledgeable contributors about this period.

[Akela]

I think you may be onto something. For example the US versiion of the site only has "Josephine Mutzenbacher" when searching for Hans Billian, while the european site also has "Eine Verdammt heisse Braut" and I don't know what the german version of the site contains exclusive of the other two.

[beutelwolf]

mulholand wrote:

> On the subject of tracking down these (increasingly mythical)
> loops, one seems to be up for a challenge, not only by knowing
> German but also knowing German internet rules regarding
> pornographic content and sales thereof (I may be wrong, but the
> simple entering of a porn-themed site seems to require passport
> and/or credit card copies. There are age restricions, rules
> against sending "restricted" films to private persons, rules
> against sending films abroad and so forth.) Can anyone clarify
> exactly how it's done? For example, can a non-German be a
> member of www.filmundo.de?

This is tricky, because the German laws on these matters are quite vague, and the exact measures a website has to undergo to prevent minors from having access are yet unclear.

Can a non-German be a member of filmundo? I would think so, but the website certainly focuses on the German market, and their access policy very much mirrors that. I would expect that they'd be happy with something like a passport scan if you access from abroad, because their main concern is not to fall foul of German law. I suggest you just contact them by email, and ask - the guys who run this are usually quite responsive.

Another German auction site with porn content is www.echtwahr.com, and they have internationalised their access; well, they have some English web pages. Echtwahr is particularly strong on old porn mags, but regarding old videos you find a lot less there. Generally, echtwahr is more a platform for dealers to sell their stuff, and they haven't quite woken up to the classics market.

[ArchiPoeta]

ooouchh ... the topic is difficult .. and my English is limited.

what the German lawmakers did in the last year
they stopped law leaks and transformed already existing laws for internet purposes etc.

regarding porn contents germany was & is still very liberal
but what German lawmakers did ever:
limiting the access to porn stuff and the porn business generally
first of all by harsh restrictions regarding the ways of distribution.
therefore ( in contrary to Austria & Switzerland)
distribution of porn by mail is not allowed.
the G. lawmakers "wanted" that a porn interested adult enters special points of sale/rent as a "sex shop", an adult videotheque etc.
but times are changing in the aera of internet. over years there was a twilight zone in Germany?s internet.
now germany?s internet porn providers & agents must check the age of their future customers. already some german based providers went to Netherlands, Danmark and similar countries.

as i know there may be no problems as a non-german to get in filmundo ( over 18 section) but you have to go through its complicated registration precedure ( scanning your passport etc. pp.).

greetings AP

[Akela]

This increasingly looks like it should be a group effort.
Some one better acquanted with the laws and such. I'd be greatful if someone would help me navigate though some of these sites.

[zushiomaru]

hi

Bumsskandal & heiBe ... are av. on video thru US co.Blue Vanities,
they specialise in putting loops 8mm & 16mm to video, they haven't gotten to the digital era as in everything on dvd(or dvd-r like some).
Lots of 20-70's Vintage, 70s-80 US of which i only know the Swedish Erotica & Joys of Erotica series.Some SC "Tits" & "Beavers"only 50-70s.
And most important of all Euro Loops in a separate section!
they have a lot of Lasse Braun loops i've also seen on History of Rape volumes(4-8? so far)put out by Alpha Blue Archives.
The last ones seem to take anything extreme & put it on 1 tape...

back to the subject at hand: the Hans Billian loops mentioned are found
on BV #162-163,i think.

I might put #200 & #161 on DVD-R if there's demand for it,
(remember,trade only,no money needs to be made on that excellent company's back!/private mail only)

grusgott?zus

[alec]

Having received my DVD of Eine verdammt heisse Braut today, I can confirm the length given by orgazmik is just about correct. It is two films - part 1 and 2 - on one DVD. I'd say that the film was made in the late 80s, judging by the appearance of Uschi Karnat and the use of remote controls by the wedding guests who are supposed to be watching old porn films. These are the late 70s loops in question, but the action cuts back and forth from the 'present' to the 'past' and you do not see the whole of the loops - for example and strangely in the light of the incest theme, the part of Massagesalon Elvira where the Anne Magle character's father and brother turn up at the massage parlour is not shown. That is, in effect, you get the highlights - though rather more of them than in the more 'trailer-style' excerpts on 30 Years of Tabu.

And the busty blonde does not look like Christa Abel - and this bit is not in my copy of Massagesalon as far as I can remember anyway. Fortunately Karine Gambier and Clyda Rosen can be seen.

Massagesalon appears at the end of part 1. I haven't watched the whole thing thoroughly yet.

[DavidS]

The busty blonde in the vhs copy of Massagesalon Elvira that I have was certainly Christa Abel. As I have mentioned elsewhere, she does seem to appear in stills for the cover elsewhere in the film, but there is doubt that she actually appears in the actual film except in the short scene as the Salon director. Have to wait until I get a copy to judge.

[mulholand]

I too got my copy of "Eine Verdammt heisse Braut" today and totally agree with Alec's astute observations. I've yet to see it more thoroughly, but have already spotted Erika Cool (in "part one") and Jane Iwanoff ("part two", walking around wearing an interesting feather "ensemble" up her bottom). A very enthusiastic night club performer in a big red wig is very likely Patricia Rhomberg ("part two").

I could be wrong, but another deduction is that all loops are not necessarily directed by Billian (for example those featuring Erika Cool and Annette Haven), partly because they don't strike me as having his style (whereas the Iwanoff dance school segment and the aforementioned night club scene is purely "Billiant".) It wouldn't surprise me if some "library loops" to which Tabu had the rights got into the finished product (I think it says "compiled by Billian" somewhere on this product).

Nevertheless, it's fun piece of cinema (and at a good price: less than 20 euro). Obviously, the Tabu company has had some requests for their "classics" (and especially Billian) and now they respond.

In connection with this, www.tabu-love.com announces "Die TABU Kultknaller ("Oft von unseren Kunden gew?nscht, werden all(t?)e Produktionen nochmals digital bearbeitet und als DVD in den Handel gebracht.", roughly meaning "our customers frequently request to buy digital transfers of our older productions") on their website, after which there's a "read more" link. Then a password request rears its ugly head. Anyone on the right side of "Checkpoint Charlie" out there, who might shed some light on this?

Finally, thanks for the good response to these threads: a lot of interesting information certainly has come out of it. (I wonder if Herr Billian knows how urgently his "oevre" is being scrutinized?)

[beutelwolf]

Akela wrote:

> This increasingly looks like it should be a group effort.
> Some one better acquanted with the laws and such. I'd be
> greatful if someone would help me navigate though some of these
> sites.

I asked at the filmundo Forum. First: they already have international clients, and one can tell that from the pull-down menu on their registration page.

Regarding access to the >18 area for non-Germans, I asked on the filmundo Forum, and they said "passport scan" plus "signed Freischaltformular" - with the latter you make some personal declaration that it's really you etc.