I could just as easily report about people who claim to have had fantastic treatment in the NHS.
Neither your story or a report from someone delighted by their treatment, proves anything whatsoever in overall terms about the effectiveness and efficiency of healthcare systems.
That is why studies get performed.
NHS is the best Healthcare system.
Re: Essex Lad
It's funny how left wingers defend, for example speed cameras, by claiming "If they save one life..." but never use the same argument when something costs one life.
Re: NHS is the best Healthcare system.
Regarding the locum who struggled to speak English
One of the reasons the NHS has to employ so many foreign Doctors is because we do not train enough of our own, and as soon as the Tories get elected funding for training future Doctors gets cut.
It?s going to get worse.
It takes five, or is it seven years to train to be a Doctor.
That?s a lot of student debt.
Who wants that debt hanging round your neck before you even start work?
I read somewhere that student loans are only payable if you continue to live in the UK; if you go abroad to work you do not carry the loan with you.
Can you blame any Doctor who manages to qualify in the UK catching the first plane out of Heathrow to Canada, Australia, NZ etc as soon as they have their papers? You know somewhere where they will be appreciated without tens of thousands of debt round their necks.
One of the reasons the NHS has to employ so many foreign Doctors is because we do not train enough of our own, and as soon as the Tories get elected funding for training future Doctors gets cut.
It?s going to get worse.
It takes five, or is it seven years to train to be a Doctor.
That?s a lot of student debt.
Who wants that debt hanging round your neck before you even start work?
I read somewhere that student loans are only payable if you continue to live in the UK; if you go abroad to work you do not carry the loan with you.
Can you blame any Doctor who manages to qualify in the UK catching the first plane out of Heathrow to Canada, Australia, NZ etc as soon as they have their papers? You know somewhere where they will be appreciated without tens of thousands of debt round their necks.
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Re: Sam
Glad you don't agree with cunty.
Still, I don't think Nigerian women coming here to give birth means people elsewhere are dying on the NHS.
And as I've said already......I doubt they're coming here to save money, given they have to pay for their air fare to the UK and back. I just can't see a Nigerian doctor charging more than the cost of a UK return ticket to Europe just to deliver a baby.
I think it's about dying in childbirth.
In the UK, the Maternal Mortality rate (MMR) is 8.2 deaths per 100,000 births. In Nigeria it's 608.3 per 100,000 births. A big jump. These mothers are probably willing to save up and travel abroad to give themselves and their unborn babies the best chance of surviving rather than coming here because it's 'free'. And for that, I'd pay a pound a year. I bought a Double Decker the other day because I'd not had one since I was a kid. It was 75p. Puts it into context.
Still, I don't think Nigerian women coming here to give birth means people elsewhere are dying on the NHS.
And as I've said already......I doubt they're coming here to save money, given they have to pay for their air fare to the UK and back. I just can't see a Nigerian doctor charging more than the cost of a UK return ticket to Europe just to deliver a baby.
I think it's about dying in childbirth.
In the UK, the Maternal Mortality rate (MMR) is 8.2 deaths per 100,000 births. In Nigeria it's 608.3 per 100,000 births. A big jump. These mothers are probably willing to save up and travel abroad to give themselves and their unborn babies the best chance of surviving rather than coming here because it's 'free'. And for that, I'd pay a pound a year. I bought a Double Decker the other day because I'd not had one since I was a kid. It was 75p. Puts it into context.
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Re: Essex Lad
"It's funny how left wingers defend, for example speed cameras, by claiming "If they save one life..." but never use the same argument when something costs one life."
This is known as a non sequitur in Blackpool i.e. it has nothing whatsoever to do with the point being made.
The NHS saves very many lives every day so the comparison with the argument about whether to have speed cameras or not is meaningless.
Being the best healthcare system in the world and still having people die needlessly through incompetence, are not mutually exclusive points.
This is known as a non sequitur in Blackpool i.e. it has nothing whatsoever to do with the point being made.
The NHS saves very many lives every day so the comparison with the argument about whether to have speed cameras or not is meaningless.
Being the best healthcare system in the world and still having people die needlessly through incompetence, are not mutually exclusive points.
Re: NHS is the best Healthcare system.
May also have something to do with the fact that the NHS pays rock bottom wages...
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Sam Slater
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Re: Sam
That makes sense. I just couldn't see your average Nigerian woman saving up for a return ticket to the UK, just to give birth.
And, of course, I agree that if our national health service is being taken advantage of by rich Nigerians, I'm less pleased about that pound every year coming out of my pocket to pay for it.
Just shows you how proud we all should be of the NHS though.
And, of course, I agree that if our national health service is being taken advantage of by rich Nigerians, I'm less pleased about that pound every year coming out of my pocket to pay for it.
Just shows you how proud we all should be of the NHS though.
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And it still goes on...
One in 14 births in Britain are to so-called ?maternity tourists? from overseas. That?s 50,000 babies, costing the NHS ?182million a year.
Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt has plans to charge these women for their treatment. He should be so lucky.
The Leftists who run the NHS won?t pursue anyone for payment. And as for the idea that these ?tourists? can be forced to pay up at the airport before they fly home, forget that, too.
Most of them are going nowhere. All these new babies are automatically British citizens with a ?right to a family life?.
Far from ?going home?, they will be entitled to bring all their relatives over to join them.
One more reason why all attempts to curb immigration are doomed to failure.
Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt has plans to charge these women for their treatment. He should be so lucky.
The Leftists who run the NHS won?t pursue anyone for payment. And as for the idea that these ?tourists? can be forced to pay up at the airport before they fly home, forget that, too.
Most of them are going nowhere. All these new babies are automatically British citizens with a ?right to a family life?.
Far from ?going home?, they will be entitled to bring all their relatives over to join them.
One more reason why all attempts to curb immigration are doomed to failure.