Cyril, the new Jimmy...

[max_tranmere]

David Steel has been on TV talking about this today.

[Essex Lad]

Cyril Smith was a senior figure with friends in high places. He was huge in more ways than one ? one of the most identifiable and popular politicians in the 70s. Various rumours abound including one that Jim Callaghan ordered things hushed up because it would wreck the LibLab pact. Another the DPS refused to prosecute because it was feared he was so popular that it would give paedophiles a good name...

[Essex Lad]

max_tranmere wrote:

> David Steel has been on TV talking about this today.

Talking about Cyril Smith or about the rumours about himself? I've been out all day...

[one eyed jack]

Welkrams defence of Cyril Smith reminds me why Saville got away with it for so long.

I'll say this: I dont truly know if e is guilty of what he is being accused of but I also believe the fact the man didnt take legal action for such a libellous allegation makes me view him with strong suspicion

A good reason not to persue legal action is to avoid the possibility of exposure thats why i believe silence to the part of the accused is usually an admission of guilt.

I also believe this much. Where theres smoke, theres usually fire rings true. Like Saville it probably took the fact he died for the people to come forward for fear of their connections....

I notice no ones talking about Ted Heath the so called "forgotten" Prime Minister Theres a good reason for why he is forgotten and its got nothing to do with him being homosexual. So the prime minister sucks dick. Whoopy doo for him..Thatcher despised him and Im sure man knew or suspect he had a penchant for young boys but no one dared to accuse or tuned a blind eye to it because to accuse someone of something so abhorrent was best left to someone else. Isn't that how we are in society?

Killing kids to ensure their silence and throwing them off his boat like Dexter is another thing entirely and the voices in this video comes from a barrister who made the allegation on air which was never acted on

You have to ask yourself why.

What would your reaction be to being publicly accused of fiddling with young boys and worse, killing them?

[Essex Lad]

one eyed jack wrote:
>
> I notice no ones talking about Ted Heath the so called
> "forgotten" Prime Minister

Who is saying Ted Heath is forgotten?

Theres a good reason for why he is
> forgotten
Assuming he is ? yes, because he was in office nearly 40 years ago. Same reason no one mentions Jim Callaghan, Alec Douglas-Home or Harold Macmillan these days.

and its got nothing to do with him being homosexual.
> So the prime minister sucks dick.

There is no evidence one way or the other that Ted Heath was heterosexual, homosexual or asexual. He surrounded himself with young men but so did Benjamin Disraeli.

Whoopy doo for him..Thatcher
> despised him
That was nothing to do with his sexuality assuming he had one.

and Im sure man knew or suspect he had a penchant
> for young boys
Where's the evidence? Unlike Cyril Smith no one has come forward to say Ted Heath molested them or had a sexual relationship with them.

>
> Killing kids to ensure their silence and throwing them off his
> boat like Dexter is another thing entirely and the voices in
> this video comes from a barrister who made the allegation on
> air which was never acted on

Who was the barrister and where did he make the accusations that were never acted on?

>
> You have to ask yourself why.

Because he was a nutter?
>
> What would your reaction be to being publicly accused of
> fiddling with young boys and worse, killing them?
>
>
>
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[max_tranmere]

There are 'open secrets' in society and some people decide to blab to the media and others don't. There is a code amongst the ex-public school lot in Parliamentry circles which dictates that you 'never tell'. A biographer on Ted Heath said sometime after Heath died that everyone knew he went 'cottaging' in parks - where he tried to pick up men, and was told to stop doing it if he didn't want to ruin his career. The fact this never became public knowledge for years was probably down to the following: the code, as I just mentioned; and the fact those mostly in the know might have had their careers harmed if the thing became public and Heath was outed, therefore everyone remained tight-lipped. That info about Heath was revealed after his death, the info on Cyril Smith is being released after his death too. The two aren't completely comparible though as there were no victims with Heath, just willing guys happy to get chummy with him, whereas with Smith there WERE victims, if the allegations are true. People turn a blind eye to affairs in politics, even to illegitimate children in Royal circles - like the old saying goes "see everything, say nothing". There are many ghosts in many Westminster closets yet to come out, and many will after the subjects have died.

[max_tranmere]

As I touched upon, maybe he WAS part of some masonic circle and everyone who could do something did not as they were involved too. I wouldn't bet money on it though.

[max_tranmere]

David Steel talks about the Cyril Smith issue:

[Essex Lad]

The only fault with your argument is that neither Ted Heath or Cyril Smith went to public schools.

Also, which Heath biographer said that? I have half a dozen or so biographies on my shelves about Grocer Heath:

Philip Ziegler makes no mention of Heath cottaging and since Heath was dead when the book came out there would have been nothing to stop him.

John Campbell, no fan of Heath, says "There is no positive evidence for [Heath's homosexuality] at all, except for the faintest unsubstantiated rumour of an incident at the beginning of the war."

There is this:
"But Sir Edward Heath might never have had a stint in 10 Downing Street had he not heeded advice to stop 'cottaging' for gay sex.
For he was warned in the 1950s that cruising for homosexual encounters could destroy his political career."

But it is from Brian Coleman, a senior Tory member of the London Assembly not a biographer.

Derek Conway, Sir Edward's successor as Tory MP for Old Bexley and Sidcup, denied there had been any hint of impropriety in his private life.
He said: 'Ted was absolutely wedded to politics. He didn't have a great deal of personal companionship in his life but there are people who are capable of getting on with their lives without companionship.'

Read more:

[max_tranmere]

I know Heath was not public school, nor was Thatcher. They were a tiny number amongst legions of ex-public school people around them and there is a likelihood that the 'code' I referred to was adhered to in Westminster.

You seem to know more about this than me, I certainly don't own numerous (or any) Ted Heath biographies. The things you say in your last post are what I was basing my last comment on, I thought that line had come from a biographer but if, as you say, if came from another Tory then so be it. The claim was made, I just described the source incorrectly.