I cannot see how within British law, if a 56 year old man runs down a hill chasing a fucking cheese that an 86 year old woman made, that they can make her responsible unless she's got him by the balls and a gun pointed at the heads of his dear wife and kids.
Like I said: drivel.
Police response time
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Sam Slater
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Re: Mr Slater
[i]I used to spend a lot of time criticizing Islam on here in the noughties - but things are much better now.[/i]
Re: Police response time
I very much doubt they shot them just to injure them as you say. That happens in films alone. In this country every firearms police officer is trained to shoot at the chest or centre of the body mass. They never aim for the head like you see in movies and they certainly do not aim for legs or arms in order to take the suspect alive. The aim is to stop the target in his tracks and prevent further risk to lives. A wounded suspect is very dangerous hence police never aiming for legs or arms. Aiming for the head is dangerous as a miss is more likely than aiming for the central body mass. Head shots are a military thing for snipers or sas etc, and have no place in policework where protecting the public rather than killing an enemy is priority. Military firearms training is differnt because the stakes are not so high if a bullet hits a bystander, loads of kids where accidentally shot in Iraq and its not going to create the fuss it would if police opened fire on those idiots in Woolich and accidentally lilled a passing schoolkid. Sad but true.
Its never a case of shoot to kill or a case of shoot to disable. Its simply a case of shoot to stop that person causing any further risk to anyone in the vicinity. And the best chance of actually hitting the target and stopping him/her is to aim for the centre of the body where a few inches of error in any direction will still result in a shot on target and not result in a bullet richocheting down the street and hitting Mrs Brady The Old Lady coming out of the post office with her pension.
As for the comments by others re response times. It is highly possible that police arrived a lot sooner but were instructed to hang back off the plot until trojan units arrived to actually confront the criminals, if unarmed officers had attemted to tackle them they too would be nursing machete wounds or on a slab in the mortuary, those cunts were out to kill and needed to be shot, thats why eight shots were fired (not enough in my opinion). The Met has only a few Trojan units (they are dedicated firearms vehicles) in the whole force area. These are not the same as SO19 the dedicated firearms unit but a rapid response version of the same. The term "rapid" is open to interpretation but traffic is very heavy in London and not every driver will yield to blue lights.
Its never a case of shoot to kill or a case of shoot to disable. Its simply a case of shoot to stop that person causing any further risk to anyone in the vicinity. And the best chance of actually hitting the target and stopping him/her is to aim for the centre of the body where a few inches of error in any direction will still result in a shot on target and not result in a bullet richocheting down the street and hitting Mrs Brady The Old Lady coming out of the post office with her pension.
As for the comments by others re response times. It is highly possible that police arrived a lot sooner but were instructed to hang back off the plot until trojan units arrived to actually confront the criminals, if unarmed officers had attemted to tackle them they too would be nursing machete wounds or on a slab in the mortuary, those cunts were out to kill and needed to be shot, thats why eight shots were fired (not enough in my opinion). The Met has only a few Trojan units (they are dedicated firearms vehicles) in the whole force area. These are not the same as SO19 the dedicated firearms unit but a rapid response version of the same. The term "rapid" is open to interpretation but traffic is very heavy in London and not every driver will yield to blue lights.
Re: Police response time
The other possibility re the delay and the fact that the murderers are still alive is this. Its my own little conspiracy theory......
If the shooters were police aiming for the chest as trained the result of eight shots would be both of them dead unless someone was a really bad shot. So my theory is (bearing in mind these two were known to security services) the police were told to hang back (hence the slow responce time) whilst awaiting the arrival of an SAS who quickly took the waiting police units uniforms, cars and guns before doing a more military style hard arrest in disguise as police, they are trained how to shoot to disable and keep the suspect alive unlike the police who do not have that training. I am talking bollocks, the SAS would have killed them an answered questions later, they didnt try to keep those Gibralter IRA people alive to be interrogated or the Lybian Embassy lot.
I think I am talking rubbish now. Its probably just that the police teams were a bit shaken after seeing two loons running at them with big knives and they didnt shoot straight due to the shock. Seeing a chopped up corpse lying in the street could also make their aim shaky, its not an everyday sight in Britain thank God.
There would be no interest to British security services to keep these two Nigerian mugs alive, what info would they have? They are not even real Islamists just black street thugs.. So I reckon its just their good look that they are not dead. Mind you they will have a hard time in prison and will probably wish they had been shot.
If the shooters were police aiming for the chest as trained the result of eight shots would be both of them dead unless someone was a really bad shot. So my theory is (bearing in mind these two were known to security services) the police were told to hang back (hence the slow responce time) whilst awaiting the arrival of an SAS who quickly took the waiting police units uniforms, cars and guns before doing a more military style hard arrest in disguise as police, they are trained how to shoot to disable and keep the suspect alive unlike the police who do not have that training. I am talking bollocks, the SAS would have killed them an answered questions later, they didnt try to keep those Gibralter IRA people alive to be interrogated or the Lybian Embassy lot.
I think I am talking rubbish now. Its probably just that the police teams were a bit shaken after seeing two loons running at them with big knives and they didnt shoot straight due to the shock. Seeing a chopped up corpse lying in the street could also make their aim shaky, its not an everyday sight in Britain thank God.
There would be no interest to British security services to keep these two Nigerian mugs alive, what info would they have? They are not even real Islamists just black street thugs.. So I reckon its just their good look that they are not dead. Mind you they will have a hard time in prison and will probably wish they had been shot.
Re: Sam Slater
Sam, you continue to believe the official statistics and the rest of us can believe what we know to be true from using our ears and eyes.
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Sam Slater
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Re: Sam Slater
[quote]Sam, you continue to believe the official statistics and the rest of us can believe what we know to be true from using our ears and eyes.[/quote]
Let me guess........it was better when you were a lad? Right.
Let me guess........it was better when you were a lad? Right.
[i]I used to spend a lot of time criticizing Islam on here in the noughties - but things are much better now.[/i]
Re: Sam Slater
Sam Slater wrote:
> [quote]Sam, you continue to believe the official statistics and
> the rest of us can believe what we know to be true from using
> our ears and eyes.[/quote]
>
> Let me guess........it was better when you were a lad? Right.
>
Some things were ? some things weren't. No one openly smoked drugs in the street when I was a lad, though. If they tried they'd be nicked pdq. Perhaps if the police spent more time enforcing the law, rather than than attending diversity courses, filling in forms, suing each other (or members of the public)... Be nice to see the police on the streets every day ? like when I was a lad ? not just when something bad happens.
> [quote]Sam, you continue to believe the official statistics and
> the rest of us can believe what we know to be true from using
> our ears and eyes.[/quote]
>
> Let me guess........it was better when you were a lad? Right.
>
Some things were ? some things weren't. No one openly smoked drugs in the street when I was a lad, though. If they tried they'd be nicked pdq. Perhaps if the police spent more time enforcing the law, rather than than attending diversity courses, filling in forms, suing each other (or members of the public)... Be nice to see the police on the streets every day ? like when I was a lad ? not just when something bad happens.