'Stop the snooping' petition

[andy at handiwork]

There is a petition at 38degrees, the campaigning group, against this unacceptable measure.



If people were concerned as much about the state assumption that we are all criminals and the actual attack on our privacy, as they seem to be about speed limits and benefit fraud, measures like this would get nowhere.

[jimslip]

Signed it!

[andy at handiwork]

Well done Jim. Pass the word.

[one eyed jack]

I don't see what the problem is. At least there is transparency enough to even know this is going on.

Lets not forget the likes of the inland revenue have got the powers to invade your privacy anyway so what's the difference?

What good is signing up going to do but state your objection? They'll probably spend more time at looking at those who did sign the petition to se what they have to hide

Jim, people have seen our willies, there's not much else to hide

[jimslip]

OEJ said:
"What good is signing up going to do but state your objection? They'll probably spend more time at looking at those who did sign the petition to se what they have to hide"

The idea of, "If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear" was used quite extensively in Eastern Europe, particularly in East German as they used to cart people off for interrogation regardless of their innocent or guilt. In Hungary nasty neighbours would denounce eachother to have them snooped on and then arrested and very often tortured.

If you want to see the future here if no one protests, watch the film "The Lives of Others" and then sign the petition!

[jimslip]

That bird from Liberty, Shami Chakrabati made a very good point on the matter of the snooping and the security services demanding hearings to be heard in private. According to her under these proposals in the event of a claim against say, the army, everyone can be booted out of the court, press, reporters AND THE CLAIMENTS themselves, allowing the lawyers for the army to have a cosy chat with the judge! Hate him or not, but it might be Gleggie by the thinnest of threads stopping us plunging into tyranny!

Anyway, Shami says, "The spooks are gettig their revenge over embarrassments to do with the war on terror, they want to restrict, snoop and remove all of our basic rights and at the same time have no controls over themselves"

Kick some ass, Shami!

[one eyed jack]

I would probably be like that Nazi hater in Inglorious Basterds and break me a few nazi necks and gouge a few nazi eyes out before making a desperate dash to nowhere and get shot in the back doing so Jim, had I been alive around that time thats probably how I wouldve gone out.

If thats how society turned out then making a protest of it doesnt make any difference and I wouldnt want to live in a country where my own countrymen sold me out to the enemy that oppressed them.

Besids you know ewhat a soft touch this country is Jim, they'd never do that. if all else fails I can always play the race card:

Its coz I iz blak innit?

[one eyed jack]

Im just saying that signing a petition where the government is concerned is pointless.

I can see David Camerons response to this walking in a room after it has been debugged slamming the door and screaming "What cunt grassed!"

[jimslip]

Maybe you're right, I was one of a million who marched against Blairs warmongering in Iraq and look where that got us. All the same the Coalition is going to get a serious mauling over these proposals so anything that helps is for the good.

I noticed in the Sun they have racked up their, "Watch out there's a paedo about!" campaign, so as to help the governments snooping plans I presume. This is News International a bunch of crooks telling their readers they need to be snooped on!

[one eyed jack]

I think signing petitions is arse out now. Get your big boots on and tromp down there and bust some doors open, turn over tables, have a mass meltdown. Get naked and pound the pavements with your bare fists!

It seems this is more effective than just signing petitions

Last summers riots, you'd never have thought it was triggered not just by the Mark Duggan shooting but by the police beating a black girl outside the police station that lit the fuse on the situation. The looters came an hour later and added the gasoline to the fray. Now when you listen to the reporting of last summer its all about wayward youths and pointless anarchy.

The government have only backed down by reporting but you can guarantee they will continue what they intended. They just wont be as transparent about it.

They are the government and they can do what they bloody well feel like whether we like it or not.

When has the government under any administration given into public pressure on anything?

They certainly wont change course over a few million signed petitions. So people don't like it? Well of course they dont. Tough titty!