Oxford street stabbing

[lob on]

I am not for the death penalty, as there are so many problems with the DP,

Until we can a have a 100% full proof 'criminal justice system' you could be putting to death someone who is not so culpable or as responsible for the crime as at the time appears to be. It happens all the time. Innocent people doing time!

It is a very costly process which can go on for years. In the USA there are a lack of judges with the required amount of experience to deal with these cases, so if you or your family are a victim you can be waiting years for an out come which could be either way, not a great system and if you are the person on Death Row is it on for you or your family to wait years and years, it goes against a fair justice system this applies to victims as well. In USA it is a broken system that needs fixing.

On the other hand how must the families feel about this kind of thing?

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/12 ... id%3D90117

As someone writes in the comments bit "The families will serve their life sentences forever!"

[william]

Not even in the same planet Sam not even close.

If that paedo raped my daughter id gladly go in to a room and bite the bastards cock off....

He raped a kid so me raping his kid doesnt make sense or reason but taking a razor across his neck does.

You seem to be missing the point - the thing is that he did the crime and im talking about simple retribution - a lost cause and one that we should not bother with any further - take him outside string him to a wall let him see his organs being harvested then kill him - charge some money to let those with a blood lust watch - gladly for the highest bidder id let them even throw the switch.

I take humbridge at being made to pay for the upkeep of these secure establishments where they get to watch tv and have three meals a day while the rest of us toil in life. Simple solution is just to give up on them they have shown that they are bad and that they have no right to live amoung us - or rather even no right to live period.

[william]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_van

This is what id like to see - simple and effective.

[Sam Slater]

You're missing the point. You're just talking about YOUR idea of retribution, or revenge. What if another person who had had their daughter raped did think that they'd only feel like justice was dealt if they could rape his daughter in return? Maybe our rapist would think you biting his dick off is a price worth paying to protect his daughter. This is why an eye for an eye, or revenge doesn't work. We all have our own idea about what constitutes payback and punishment. For some, an apology and feelings of remorse are enough. For others they'd kill a paedophile or rapist (which is death for a sex offense).

This is why you can't let a victim's family decide on a fitting punishment. We'd have no consistency at all.

[william]

Death for a sex offence - Hmmm yes why not?

I would put it as a way to remove undesirables from society and ensure that they did not pose any risk. simple solution and yes black and white.

if you kill or committ any crime that has been given a punishment of death then you will have to accept that this is what happens when you do that crime and are caught.

In cases where there is total and complete guilt then this can be discharged quickly and without delay.

Id do it clinically and quietly. Out the backdoor of the court and into the processing amenity. I have absolutely no time for killers rapists or the like.

[wayne]

Got no problem with that.

[modfather]

Where it is 100% proved murder with absolutely no doubt involved then the person who comitted it should pay with there life thats just my own personal opinion.

Wonder what the general feling is across the nation would be interesting if put to a vote

[davey]

Another dead gangsta does anyone really give a fuck?

[tuf766]

Death sentence is too easy, prison is too easy but there is no easy solution to dealing with theses killers, maybe send them to a penal colony like Devils island and make them suffer for the rest of their lives.

[Sam Slater]

You've not answered any of my points at all. You just seem intent on repeating stuff about you not caring and killing people.

Again:

People say capital punishment is a deterrent. The facts at hand show this to be inconclusive at the most. It seems to depend more on culture, wealth and educational standards.

People say it gives people revenge. I say that everyone's idea of revenge (if they want revenge at all) is different. If you set my nan's hair on fire I might set your's on fire in return. I might think setting your nan's hair on fire will hurt you more, emotionally, and so will think that the best punishment for you, despite your nan being totally innocent. I might hate my nan and send you a box of chocolates and a thank you note, inviting you to a weekend in Vegas for what you did. This shows we can't punish crimes based on what type of revenge a victim, or their family, feels like dishing out.

People say it keeps desirables off our streets and protects others from repeat attacks. I say that's what prison is for. If anyone wants to argue about rapists and murderers being paroled and let out too easily then I may agree, but this is a different argument.

These are the three usual arguments, and there are easy, sensible retorts for every one.

If you have anything constructive which may enlighten this debate, which may reassess my views, then I'd like to hear it......seriously.