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Cheers
D
Union leaders snouts in trough!
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David Johnson
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Ned/Number 6/Arginald
"They're all the same, in every walk of life. Nothing breeds greed like "success"
I dont see them as being all the same. Bob Crow is the same as Boris Johnson? I dont think so. Crow runs a very large union and I personally dont think his salary is excessive for the responsibility. The salary is relatively small compared to someone who is the Chairman of a similar sized company in the private sector. And then when you compare it with casino bankers it is a pin prick in comparison.
get the impression from Arginald that anyone who is a Labour supporter must live in a 1 bedroom council flat on the minimum wage, otherwise they are totally 2-faced. Not for me. The Labour party is a capitalist party. As far as I am concerned if people go in for tax evasion, tax avoidance, worker exploitation e.g. sweat shops to make their money, they deserve everything they get in terms of retribution whether they are Labour or Tory. But to argue that anyone who gets more than ?100K a year is automatically two faced if they are a Labour supporter is bonkers.
Secondly Bob Crow has played a major part in increasing the living standards of his members. The research on this is unquestionable. Collective bargaining on behalf of trade unions improves wage settlements. Even in a slump, workers in heavily unionised car and utility sectors get better rises. So in terms of improving the common good of the people he represents, Crow is infinitely better than Boris Johnson and for no more money.
The Daily Mail, Jimbo's favourite newspaper it would appear, is following exactly the same tactic as the government i.e. to try and split groups of workers and set them against each other. That's what Francis Maude is trying to argue with public sector/private pensions and Cameron and Gove are trying to argue with trade unions due to strike tomorrow
And as throughout history, people like Jimbo who either aren't bright enough to see through it or are consumed by Daily Mail inspired hatred of other groups of people e.g. refugees, unionised workers, just swallow the crap whole.
Cheers
D
I dont see them as being all the same. Bob Crow is the same as Boris Johnson? I dont think so. Crow runs a very large union and I personally dont think his salary is excessive for the responsibility. The salary is relatively small compared to someone who is the Chairman of a similar sized company in the private sector. And then when you compare it with casino bankers it is a pin prick in comparison.
get the impression from Arginald that anyone who is a Labour supporter must live in a 1 bedroom council flat on the minimum wage, otherwise they are totally 2-faced. Not for me. The Labour party is a capitalist party. As far as I am concerned if people go in for tax evasion, tax avoidance, worker exploitation e.g. sweat shops to make their money, they deserve everything they get in terms of retribution whether they are Labour or Tory. But to argue that anyone who gets more than ?100K a year is automatically two faced if they are a Labour supporter is bonkers.
Secondly Bob Crow has played a major part in increasing the living standards of his members. The research on this is unquestionable. Collective bargaining on behalf of trade unions improves wage settlements. Even in a slump, workers in heavily unionised car and utility sectors get better rises. So in terms of improving the common good of the people he represents, Crow is infinitely better than Boris Johnson and for no more money.
The Daily Mail, Jimbo's favourite newspaper it would appear, is following exactly the same tactic as the government i.e. to try and split groups of workers and set them against each other. That's what Francis Maude is trying to argue with public sector/private pensions and Cameron and Gove are trying to argue with trade unions due to strike tomorrow
And as throughout history, people like Jimbo who either aren't bright enough to see through it or are consumed by Daily Mail inspired hatred of other groups of people e.g. refugees, unionised workers, just swallow the crap whole.
Cheers
D
Re: DJ/ The same old codswallop
Hi Jim,
Exactly my point. Because I don't agree with said views or opinions, I must be uneducated, uninformed or part of the silver spoon brigade. I just happen to think Labour lovers want everything for nothing. Mention Maggie and the heads start to boil. Of course New Labour did nothing but good for our country, Gordon did nothing to fuck up the economy and hide his errors and immigration levels are perfectly acceptable. Or maybe not.
As for what newspapers I may or may not read being the basis of forming my opinion, again it's an easy target. Perhaps I'm able to view my opinions without the views of the Tory or Labour rags. Anyone who believes our country was left in a great state after New Labour is dilusional, possibly because their personal circumstances haven't changed but mainly because admitting it would cause their idealogical safety net to be cut away from under them.
Simply put if New Labour were so great why are they not still in power?
Exactly my point. Because I don't agree with said views or opinions, I must be uneducated, uninformed or part of the silver spoon brigade. I just happen to think Labour lovers want everything for nothing. Mention Maggie and the heads start to boil. Of course New Labour did nothing but good for our country, Gordon did nothing to fuck up the economy and hide his errors and immigration levels are perfectly acceptable. Or maybe not.
As for what newspapers I may or may not read being the basis of forming my opinion, again it's an easy target. Perhaps I'm able to view my opinions without the views of the Tory or Labour rags. Anyone who believes our country was left in a great state after New Labour is dilusional, possibly because their personal circumstances haven't changed but mainly because admitting it would cause their idealogical safety net to be cut away from under them.
Simply put if New Labour were so great why are they not still in power?
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David Johnson
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Drew/Jimslip
Drew
Apparently as a a new poster, I will try to translate Jimbo's post for you.
"Hi Drew, Shame to see you having to take on the, "Josef Stalin" of BGAFD, namely David Johnson, (or Comrade Johnson as he likes to be addressed) on your own."
David disagrees with me. This is incredibly annoyng for me so I just insult him because that is much easier than having a debate with him. I never have a debate with him, because I am terrified of doing that.
"This is a man who cannot comprehend the concept of, "Begging to differ","
David begs to differ with my view, the Commie bastard!
"He will always attempt to ridicule, mock or rubbish anyone who has a different point of view. "
Calling someone a Fascist and "Josef Stalin" is obviously not mocking or ridiculing David. But when David disagrees with me, he is being really, really nasty and horrid.
"This is why I post here, not for Johnson, but for others to see how Johnson reacts to opposition. Through our David, you see a window into a sinister New Labour future!"
David has been very critical of various aspects of the New Labour government in the past including calling Blair a war criminal. I will never recognise that on this forum because it doesnt fit in with my view of him.
PS Drew, Jim has been increasingly isolated on this forum because the only people he responds to are people like you who agree with him. Anybody who disagrees with him, he ignores and seems to get absolutely terrified when anyone asks him a simple question about his views. So to ask even just one simple question is to give Jim the "Spanish Inquisition".
At which point he gets incredibly stressed and violently abusive.
Enjoy the forum, Drew.
Cheers
D
Apparently as a a new poster, I will try to translate Jimbo's post for you.
"Hi Drew, Shame to see you having to take on the, "Josef Stalin" of BGAFD, namely David Johnson, (or Comrade Johnson as he likes to be addressed) on your own."
David disagrees with me. This is incredibly annoyng for me so I just insult him because that is much easier than having a debate with him. I never have a debate with him, because I am terrified of doing that.
"This is a man who cannot comprehend the concept of, "Begging to differ","
David begs to differ with my view, the Commie bastard!
"He will always attempt to ridicule, mock or rubbish anyone who has a different point of view. "
Calling someone a Fascist and "Josef Stalin" is obviously not mocking or ridiculing David. But when David disagrees with me, he is being really, really nasty and horrid.
"This is why I post here, not for Johnson, but for others to see how Johnson reacts to opposition. Through our David, you see a window into a sinister New Labour future!"
David has been very critical of various aspects of the New Labour government in the past including calling Blair a war criminal. I will never recognise that on this forum because it doesnt fit in with my view of him.
PS Drew, Jim has been increasingly isolated on this forum because the only people he responds to are people like you who agree with him. Anybody who disagrees with him, he ignores and seems to get absolutely terrified when anyone asks him a simple question about his views. So to ask even just one simple question is to give Jim the "Spanish Inquisition".
At which point he gets incredibly stressed and violently abusive.
Enjoy the forum, Drew.
Cheers
D
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David Johnson
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Drew
"I just happen to think Labour lovers want everything for nothing. Mention Maggie and the heads start to boil. Of course New Labour did nothing but good for our country, Gordon did nothing to fuck up the economy and hide his errors and immigration levels are perfectly acceptable. Or maybe not."
Not sure if you are talking about Labour voters in general but this does not have anything to do with my views. I feel Thatcher did a lot of harm to this country and I am perfectily entitled to hold that opinion just as you are to hold the opposite if you choose to.
Re. New labour doing nothing but good that has never been my argument. As I have frequently stated I regard Tony Blair as a war criminal over Iraq. As for Gordon did nothing to fuck up the economy, I think mistakes were made in not controlling the banks and not supporting manufacturing industry sufficiently. I have previously stated that it was a big Labour mistake to allow Polish people in as soon as they joined the EU.
"Anyone who believes our country was left in a great state after New Labour is dilusional,!
I have never said that anywhere on this forum. Labour left a huge deficit. That deficit was caused by a global banking crisis, exacerbated by Labour failure to control the banks and a failure of British governments over many decades to encourage industry.
Cheers
D
Not sure if you are talking about Labour voters in general but this does not have anything to do with my views. I feel Thatcher did a lot of harm to this country and I am perfectily entitled to hold that opinion just as you are to hold the opposite if you choose to.
Re. New labour doing nothing but good that has never been my argument. As I have frequently stated I regard Tony Blair as a war criminal over Iraq. As for Gordon did nothing to fuck up the economy, I think mistakes were made in not controlling the banks and not supporting manufacturing industry sufficiently. I have previously stated that it was a big Labour mistake to allow Polish people in as soon as they joined the EU.
"Anyone who believes our country was left in a great state after New Labour is dilusional,!
I have never said that anywhere on this forum. Labour left a huge deficit. That deficit was caused by a global banking crisis, exacerbated by Labour failure to control the banks and a failure of British governments over many decades to encourage industry.
Cheers
D
Re: Johnson-The true face of "Caring" New Labour!
"Ya a real nice guy, Jimbo."
A heck of a lot "Nicer" than you David!
Ladies and gentlemen, this is a man who fell about laughing because he read that a mere friend of David Cameron, I kid you not, just a friend of david Cameron, was found slumped dead in the filth of a Portaloo at a rock festival!
Others joined in the merriment! This is the true face of your "Cuddly", "Caring" New Labour, they will rejoice and dance with glee at a man's death, for no other reason that that man, simply knew a Tory!These people knew absolutely nothing about this man, whether he was good, bad, selfish or generous, all that they DID know was that he was a friend of David Cameron and therefore deserved to die a horrible death.
Shame on you and your kind! This is the true face of Socialism, the brutal underbelly, posing as crusaders for the welfare of all. Total bollocks, just like the corrupt crooked Union leaders, the only people they really care about is themselves! Watch how they push people to strike and lose wages, do you think any of those fat cats will lose a penny, of course not.
Simply look at David Johnson's twisted rage, just on this post, do you not think, that if given the power, he would have myself, Drew and any other dissenter arrested and tortured? Do you not think that if he had the power, this whole forum would be made to exclude ANYONE who did not applaud all the New Labour apologist claptrap he spouts?
I support no political party, but I particularly loathe the hypocrisy of New Labour and its cronies. They have made a cosy nest for themselves and dumped on all the values our grandfathers fought to make our lives better. The stinking manure that nurtured the flowering of this disgusting spectacle was spawned by"
Tony Blair
Alistair Campbell
Peter Mandelson
The sharp suited, holy trinity of corruption, sleaze and lies!
A heck of a lot "Nicer" than you David!
Ladies and gentlemen, this is a man who fell about laughing because he read that a mere friend of David Cameron, I kid you not, just a friend of david Cameron, was found slumped dead in the filth of a Portaloo at a rock festival!
Others joined in the merriment! This is the true face of your "Cuddly", "Caring" New Labour, they will rejoice and dance with glee at a man's death, for no other reason that that man, simply knew a Tory!These people knew absolutely nothing about this man, whether he was good, bad, selfish or generous, all that they DID know was that he was a friend of David Cameron and therefore deserved to die a horrible death.
Shame on you and your kind! This is the true face of Socialism, the brutal underbelly, posing as crusaders for the welfare of all. Total bollocks, just like the corrupt crooked Union leaders, the only people they really care about is themselves! Watch how they push people to strike and lose wages, do you think any of those fat cats will lose a penny, of course not.
Simply look at David Johnson's twisted rage, just on this post, do you not think, that if given the power, he would have myself, Drew and any other dissenter arrested and tortured? Do you not think that if he had the power, this whole forum would be made to exclude ANYONE who did not applaud all the New Labour apologist claptrap he spouts?
I support no political party, but I particularly loathe the hypocrisy of New Labour and its cronies. They have made a cosy nest for themselves and dumped on all the values our grandfathers fought to make our lives better. The stinking manure that nurtured the flowering of this disgusting spectacle was spawned by"
Tony Blair
Alistair Campbell
Peter Mandelson
The sharp suited, holy trinity of corruption, sleaze and lies!
<http://www.jimslip.com>
Winner "Best Loved Character"TVX SHAFTAS 2010
Winner of "Best On-Line scene & Best Gonzo Production" at UKAP Awards 2006
Winner of Best TVX series 2011, "Laras Anal Adventures"
Winner "Best Loved Character"TVX SHAFTAS 2010
Winner of "Best On-Line scene & Best Gonzo Production" at UKAP Awards 2006
Winner of Best TVX series 2011, "Laras Anal Adventures"
Re: Lesson 1, David's arguing techniques explained
David Johnson, has very few weapons up his sleeve to use against dissenters. He is like a broken record, actually an old 78rpm record, because that's how outdated his techniques are. They are taken from a time when if these techniques didn't work, well, they'd just shot you!!adolf! Anyway, watch out for the David Johnson key points of "Winning" an argument:
1/ Abuse
2/ Ridicule
3/ Labelling you:
a/ A Daily Mail Reader
b/ A Tory
c/ Stupid
d/ Uneducated
e/ A fool
4/ The selective use of "Facts" to support his redundant arguments and if you disagree. he will again apply "Rule 3, a-e"
He'll keep doing this until his opponent leaves the argument. This is what always makes me laugh about Comrade Johnson, he thinks he's won an argument, if he has the last word. He is no different to any of the tin pot dictators like Mugabe or Gaddafi, except they can have you arrested and shot as well. David can but blissfully dream of one day being able to do this!
David's biggest weakness is his lack of being able to create any original thought. Without his New Labour puppet-masters, he is merely a crumpled, lifeless, doll, lying in a heap on a stage with an an audience that has long since departed, muttering to itself on its way out, "Oh my God, I simply couldn't take any more of that New Labour puppet show, IT WAS SOOOO BORING, let's go and get a Big Mac, instead!"
1/ Abuse
2/ Ridicule
3/ Labelling you:
a/ A Daily Mail Reader
b/ A Tory
c/ Stupid
d/ Uneducated
e/ A fool
4/ The selective use of "Facts" to support his redundant arguments and if you disagree. he will again apply "Rule 3, a-e"
He'll keep doing this until his opponent leaves the argument. This is what always makes me laugh about Comrade Johnson, he thinks he's won an argument, if he has the last word. He is no different to any of the tin pot dictators like Mugabe or Gaddafi, except they can have you arrested and shot as well. David can but blissfully dream of one day being able to do this!
David's biggest weakness is his lack of being able to create any original thought. Without his New Labour puppet-masters, he is merely a crumpled, lifeless, doll, lying in a heap on a stage with an an audience that has long since departed, muttering to itself on its way out, "Oh my God, I simply couldn't take any more of that New Labour puppet show, IT WAS SOOOO BORING, let's go and get a Big Mac, instead!"
<http://www.jimslip.com>
Winner "Best Loved Character"TVX SHAFTAS 2010
Winner of "Best On-Line scene & Best Gonzo Production" at UKAP Awards 2006
Winner of Best TVX series 2011, "Laras Anal Adventures"
Winner "Best Loved Character"TVX SHAFTAS 2010
Winner of "Best On-Line scene & Best Gonzo Production" at UKAP Awards 2006
Winner of Best TVX series 2011, "Laras Anal Adventures"
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David Johnson
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Scores on the doors for Jimbo
Scores on the doors for Jimbo's political posts
Anti Labour - 541, 322, Anti Tories - 5, Daily Mail quotes - 701, 321,
"I hate all political parties me, cos I have an enquiring mind" 12
I've thrown my toys out of the pram because someone disagrees with me - 1,341,221
A new category - Frothing at the mouth type message - 221.
For example
"Simply look at David Johnson's twisted rage, just on this post, do you not think, that if given the power, he would have myself, Drew and any other dissenter arrested and tortured? Do you not think that if he had the power, this whole forum would be made to exclude ANYONE who did not applaud all the New Labour apologist claptrap he spouts? "
Do carry on Jimbo, your are indeed the Eric Morecombe of the BGAFD board.
Thanks
D
Anti Labour - 541, 322, Anti Tories - 5, Daily Mail quotes - 701, 321,
"I hate all political parties me, cos I have an enquiring mind" 12
I've thrown my toys out of the pram because someone disagrees with me - 1,341,221
A new category - Frothing at the mouth type message - 221.
For example
"Simply look at David Johnson's twisted rage, just on this post, do you not think, that if given the power, he would have myself, Drew and any other dissenter arrested and tortured? Do you not think that if he had the power, this whole forum would be made to exclude ANYONE who did not applaud all the New Labour apologist claptrap he spouts? "
Do carry on Jimbo, your are indeed the Eric Morecombe of the BGAFD board.
Thanks
D
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David Johnson
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Scores on the doors for Jimbo
Frothing at the mouth type messages from Jimbo - 222
"David's biggest weakness is his lack of being able to create any original thought. Without his New Labour puppet-masters, he is merely a crumpled, lifeless, doll, lying in a heap on a stage with audience"
We are just actors on a stage, eh Jimbo?
Jim "Ernie "I Just wrote a dead nice poem" Wise" Slip
Thanks again Jimbo
D
"David's biggest weakness is his lack of being able to create any original thought. Without his New Labour puppet-masters, he is merely a crumpled, lifeless, doll, lying in a heap on a stage with audience"
We are just actors on a stage, eh Jimbo?
Jim "Ernie "I Just wrote a dead nice poem" Wise" Slip
Thanks again Jimbo
D