This is how big Britpop got...

[Phil Phee]

You didn't address the question. Those two "good songs" you referred to were...?

Informed response welcome

[Phil Phee]

If, by 'fake' music, we're referring to manufactured pop, this ain't necessarily so.

[max_tranmere]

I've always seen 'real' as meaning a self-sufficient musical unit who could set up on the back of a flat-bed lorry with the sound running through one speaker and recreate everything they do on record. Basically a live band. 'Fake' is a stage-school trained dancer employed by someone like Pete Waterman or Simon Cowell to mime to a tape on a TV show - someone who would not even have a career in the music biz if it were not for the fashion to mime on TV shows. A joke in other words. Pete Waterman and Simon Cowell are the anti-christs of music.

[max_tranmere]

Two great Oasis songs are Live Forever and Slide Away. The Definately Maybe album was a great sing-along to have on your in-car tape deck on a long motorway drive back in late 1994/early 1995! Made the journey very fun indeed, you'd have more or less lost your voice when you got where you were going! lol.

[max_tranmere]

Here is Sophie Lawrence, who played Diane in Eastenders, being a 'pop star'. If it wasn't the done thing to mime on Top Of The Pops she would never have even considered becoming a 'singing' star:

[Jonone]

Ultimately it's about sincerity isn't it ? A band like Roxy Music were in a sense 'fake' because they contained significant elements of pastiche but their artistic statement was sincere which is why it endures.

[awgazzm69]

the "fake" music as you put it is that garbage that comes under the dance scene/hip hop/garage any man jack and his dog with the right software can sit at his pc and haha create tracks with old beats and grooves its not hard, look at the current supposed musical genius in theis country and the usa the hip hop scene really makes me angry the yanks boast how much money they make and how their gonna fill ya with lead and the brits boast how they have nothing and are " from the real ghetto" bollocks! its all rehashed shit meaingless music for sheep that parades itself as being down with the kids, fuck me how anybody can fall for the likes of p diddy, tinie tempah, and all the other garbage is beyond me to quote an old adage ...if it aint got guitars it aint music