Your views on selling old material...

[Von Boy]

Further to my post on another topic I wanted to get your views/comments regarding the selling of old "pre internet" material...

for example...



Note the pop up window...

I think Joanie and John's work has been excellent over the years... I just feel the selling of images from 20/ 30years ago... long before the internet is "pushing" the model release form...

Those girls would HAVE expected the images to be published in the top shelf and continental mags... around for about 4 weeks before the next issue... BUT would NEVER have expected to see themselves 25 years + later on the internet...!nervous!

"Hey that looks like mum!"...!shocked!!shocked!!shocked!!shocked!!shocked!!shocked!

Finally the internet age models are aware of their images being around for ever and ever!!... so no problems with them.

[Peter]

Von Boy wrote:
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> Finally the internet age models are aware of their images being
> around for ever and ever!!... so no problems with them.
>
>

As were the magazine/film models from the old days. (or should have been)

I guess the popup illustrates what we all get, a model 'changes her mind' later down the line, maybe only a few weeks later, perhaps she has a new boyfriend, and starts messaging you, demanding you remove all her pictures from sale and wherever they are already shown. Of course, they never want to pay for this, even if it were possible.

[one eyed jack]

Depends onnthe wording used pre internet but a lot of contracts facilitated for media changes by using the word "electronic rights"

I dont see what the problem is. As long as you paid for it and got the documentation, a model changing her mind and regretting it is her own problem.

As you said, they ask for you to take it down but certainly dont offer you any money to do so

[Floydoid]

Personally I think it is good that someone has gone to the trouble of scanning all that pre-internet stuff and making it available once again.

Presumably if a particular model asks for her stuff to be removed then it is up to the discretion & courtesy of the webmaster?

[Von Boy]

I agree in some way but imagine a 20 year old in 1985... posed for some photos... got paid... saw them in Mayfair 4 months later... noticed them in other mags over the following few years... They would only have been "viewed" by buying the mag or similar... so they would normally drop off the radar within a year or so.

Now 25 years later, shes 45 now, they have been scanned resurfaced and are "open" to anyone

As i mentioned I think models since about the early 90's understood what could happen with the images... but surely not a 20 year old in 1985 ?

[planeterotica]

Firstly most model releases state that the tog has the right to reproduce the material in any media as they see fit, secondly i doubt if you would reckonise a model today from a pic taken 30 years ago and most of them used a different name also a lot of them get a buzz from seeing old photos of themselves still doing the rounds !wink!

[Peter]

Von Boy wrote:


> As i mentioned I think models since about the early 90's
> understood what could happen with the images... but surely not
> a 20 year old in 1985 ?
>
>

I'd say most were more switched on before the internet age. Most models had to go through an agency to get work, and even if that 'agency' was only the model book at the local hire-studio, it would be made pretty clear to them what it involved.

Most only have themselves to blame, they don't think beyond ultra-short term, don't research the business the want to work in, and don't read or comprehend what they're signing.

There's a saying, (probably from the bible)

"if you don't want people looking at pictures of you with your tits out, don't pose for pictures with your tits out"

[Von Boy]

"Presumably if a particular model asks for her stuff to be removed then it is up to the discretion & courtesy of the webmaster?"

You say the above but I bet the Allums haven't taken down any images... especially with that statement in the pop up window...

Whats the betting they have had requests?

[Deano!]

It's probably a bit like the stripper that spots her dad in the audience - he might well ask "What the hell are you doing here?" But she could ask the same question straight back.

Anyway, there are plenty of non porn archives where people said or did things in their early years that they'd now find embarrassing.

[one eyed jack]

Von boy why are you having a pop at the Allums? As said they can use the material in which way they see fit if they have the releases allowing them to do so

Do you know of anyone that wishes to have their images removed and in dispute with them?

Personally Im fresh out of sympathy for those girls wanting the pointless task of having their content removed because its most likely they were busted from some fiesharing site than the actual pay site it originated from and furthermore, removing makes no difference if theyve been busted for it already and because its still on the internet even if its removed from the site