How about Guy Fawkes - it has been said he was the only man ever to enter parliament with truly honourable intentions.
Greatest Brit Political Figure?
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Is it any wonder that the monkey's confused?
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Can we clarify which Margaret Thatcher we are referring to? The Conservative PM of the 80s or the MRL Party deputy leader of the same period. They had different agendas, indeed were probably different genders.
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Harold Wilson.
He stood up to the yanks (specifically LBJ) and kept us out of the Vietnam War.
Compare and contrast with Tony B.
He stood up to the yanks (specifically LBJ) and kept us out of the Vietnam War.
Compare and contrast with Tony B.
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Has to be the Duke of Wellington.
He commanded the British Army and kicked Bonapartes arse all the way to St Helena and became Prime Minister.
The problem with this country is that we do not get too many former soldiers or sailors in Parliament.
The two best post WW2 for Labour were, I think, James Callaghan and Dennis Healy. Both fought in the war, Sunny Jim at sea and Denis in the Army and saw the horrors of it. For the Tories I would say Enoch Powell, but was sorely let down by his own party. Heath also fought in the war but was a complete and utter useless two faced lying bastard. He is the architect of the fucking system that the EU is imposing on us now, the bastard.
Has to be the Duke of Wellington.
He commanded the British Army and kicked Bonapartes arse all the way to St Helena and became Prime Minister.
The problem with this country is that we do not get too many former soldiers or sailors in Parliament.
The two best post WW2 for Labour were, I think, James Callaghan and Dennis Healy. Both fought in the war, Sunny Jim at sea and Denis in the Army and saw the horrors of it. For the Tories I would say Enoch Powell, but was sorely let down by his own party. Heath also fought in the war but was a complete and utter useless two faced lying bastard. He is the architect of the fucking system that the EU is imposing on us now, the bastard.
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Re: Greatest Brit Political Figure?
Greatest British political figure? Well they always say that if you can't get what you want you should want what you get, and as we are going to GET George Osbourne as Prime Minister then we have no option but to 'like' the guy. Osbourne is from the traditional school of British political thinking - namely it doesn't matter whether the public want me, all that matters is my ego and my personal lust for power, so I will just impose myself on the public whether they like it or not!
When Osbourne was still in nappies his well connected family were already arranging for him to become PM. All of them are ex ministers, ex House of Lords, land gentry people, and they were organising it so that when young George (who was actually called Gideon then - he changed his name later) grew up he would be working his way up the ladder within the Conservative party and into power.
It didn't matter whether George would be good enough all that mattered was that he was connected. By the time he was hitting sixes on the playing fields of Eton, and singing the school song at full volume in the grand chapel, the well connected relatives already had identified who the Tory party heirachy of the future would be, and they knew who to befriend at the Henley Regatta, and in the private drinking lounges of Lords Cricket Ground, in order to get young George where they wanted to get him!
And it worked! Party backroom boy, mid ranking party backroom figure, prominent behind-the-scenes figure, aspiring MP (when he was put forward for a safe seat it was obvious he would win it as no one was voting for him but for the party), and then George is IN PARLIAMENT! Next step: give him a shadow ministry to oversee. Before you know it George is the party's number two!
Just like how Major was the mini-me to Thatcher, Brown was the mini-me to Blair, Osbourne is now the mini-me to Cameron. The Tories will win next year, Osbourne will be Chancellor, and when Cameron either steps down, resigns, or loses an elecition (only for the Tories to be re-elected at the next election with a new leader) and then Osbourne will be PM!! He will have got there without any member of the public wanting him or really ever being asked.
Even if the public get the chance to vote for him in an election they will probably just be voting for the party they dislike the least to become the government. There probably wont be that many in the Tory party who will even want him as leader but people in the party will get behnd him for leader because it will help them advance their miserable careers.
It's a funny thing politics. Osbourne will be PM, no one will want him but he will be PM - and to think he will only be there because he was good at cricket, good at reciting Latin at Eton, could sing loudly, and because he has elderly relatives who are well connected with movers and shakers in Westminster! I think I'll move to Cuba...
When Osbourne was still in nappies his well connected family were already arranging for him to become PM. All of them are ex ministers, ex House of Lords, land gentry people, and they were organising it so that when young George (who was actually called Gideon then - he changed his name later) grew up he would be working his way up the ladder within the Conservative party and into power.
It didn't matter whether George would be good enough all that mattered was that he was connected. By the time he was hitting sixes on the playing fields of Eton, and singing the school song at full volume in the grand chapel, the well connected relatives already had identified who the Tory party heirachy of the future would be, and they knew who to befriend at the Henley Regatta, and in the private drinking lounges of Lords Cricket Ground, in order to get young George where they wanted to get him!
And it worked! Party backroom boy, mid ranking party backroom figure, prominent behind-the-scenes figure, aspiring MP (when he was put forward for a safe seat it was obvious he would win it as no one was voting for him but for the party), and then George is IN PARLIAMENT! Next step: give him a shadow ministry to oversee. Before you know it George is the party's number two!
Just like how Major was the mini-me to Thatcher, Brown was the mini-me to Blair, Osbourne is now the mini-me to Cameron. The Tories will win next year, Osbourne will be Chancellor, and when Cameron either steps down, resigns, or loses an elecition (only for the Tories to be re-elected at the next election with a new leader) and then Osbourne will be PM!! He will have got there without any member of the public wanting him or really ever being asked.
Even if the public get the chance to vote for him in an election they will probably just be voting for the party they dislike the least to become the government. There probably wont be that many in the Tory party who will even want him as leader but people in the party will get behnd him for leader because it will help them advance their miserable careers.
It's a funny thing politics. Osbourne will be PM, no one will want him but he will be PM - and to think he will only be there because he was good at cricket, good at reciting Latin at Eton, could sing loudly, and because he has elderly relatives who are well connected with movers and shakers in Westminster! I think I'll move to Cuba...
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thatcher
Yes she made many mistakes but she dragged Britain out of the hands of the unions and developed the country from past industries to future ones.
Hard deciscions had to be made and she made them.
She was a power house on foriegn affairs and the world knew it.
Had she not been in power the unions would still be blackmailing the nation with demand after demand.
She was the most powerful leader (churchill aside) that Britain had last century.Where she beats Churchill is her peacetime leadership.
Yes she made many mistakes but she dragged Britain out of the hands of the unions and developed the country from past industries to future ones.
Hard deciscions had to be made and she made them.
She was a power house on foriegn affairs and the world knew it.
Had she not been in power the unions would still be blackmailing the nation with demand after demand.
She was the most powerful leader (churchill aside) that Britain had last century.Where she beats Churchill is her peacetime leadership.