The Jade Goody business: a new low for Britain?
Re: The Jade Goody business: a new low for Britain?
tHE Mirror had a tribute this morning to,wait for it,""our jade"",since when was she "our jade"",she was a racist loudmouth thick idiot,she didn't deserve to die,but there are far more important things going on in the world than this endless gushing over a chav who got lucky.
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max_tranmere
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Re: The Jade Goody business: a new low for Britain?
I agree number 6. As I said earlier, when our soldiers come back in bodybags they don't get any sort of tribute like this and they were dignified people who are there to fight for the country if necessary. Goody was a vile pig who just happened to have a good publicist who got her on to the front pages. I think Gordon Brown giving her a glowing tribute was dreadful!!
Re: The Jade Goody business: a new low for Britain?
max_tranmere wrote:
<<<I agree number 6. As I said earlier, when our soldiers come back in bodybags they don't get any sort of tribute like this and they were dignified people who are there to fight for the country if necessary. Goody was a vile pig who just happened to have a good publicist who got her on to the front pages. I think Gordon Brown giving her a glowing tribute was dreadful!!
Typical cynical bandwagon-jumping by 'Global' Gordon, Max - with his one eye fixed firmly on the Chav vote the whole time he was delivering his *cough* "moving eulogy".
Someone else pointed out either higher up in this thread or the other JG one (I can't be arsed checking which) that he didn't have a word to say about Wendy Richard when she died recently - and she was a far worthier case (talented & hard-working actress, long career, genuinely nice woman by all accounts). And it was a good point. Your point about the troops KIA is even better. And there are countless more.
No-one deserves to die at just 27. But that such an uncouth, untalented, and generally unpleasant person is now being held up as some sort of saint by the mass media, vast swathes of the populace and even the head of the government is a sad indictment of the state of society in the UK today - as indeed is the fact that a case of someone's terminal illness has been turned into a big money-spinning business venture for her equally loathesome family (i.e. her mother, her husband-of-convenience and her kids' father), the gutter press and scumbags like Max Clifford.
- Eric
<<<I agree number 6. As I said earlier, when our soldiers come back in bodybags they don't get any sort of tribute like this and they were dignified people who are there to fight for the country if necessary. Goody was a vile pig who just happened to have a good publicist who got her on to the front pages. I think Gordon Brown giving her a glowing tribute was dreadful!!
Typical cynical bandwagon-jumping by 'Global' Gordon, Max - with his one eye fixed firmly on the Chav vote the whole time he was delivering his *cough* "moving eulogy".
Someone else pointed out either higher up in this thread or the other JG one (I can't be arsed checking which) that he didn't have a word to say about Wendy Richard when she died recently - and she was a far worthier case (talented & hard-working actress, long career, genuinely nice woman by all accounts). And it was a good point. Your point about the troops KIA is even better. And there are countless more.
No-one deserves to die at just 27. But that such an uncouth, untalented, and generally unpleasant person is now being held up as some sort of saint by the mass media, vast swathes of the populace and even the head of the government is a sad indictment of the state of society in the UK today - as indeed is the fact that a case of someone's terminal illness has been turned into a big money-spinning business venture for her equally loathesome family (i.e. her mother, her husband-of-convenience and her kids' father), the gutter press and scumbags like Max Clifford.
- Eric
Re: The Jade Goody business: a new low for Britain?
Yeah catch your drift now Colonel - sometimes a bit slow you know usually between the hours 9-5 Monday to Friday ....
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Well put Eric. I think the interest so many people have with this comes from the fact many young people now fall into the catagory of 'the Jeremy Kyle generation' - where thicko's, chav's, aswell as (bizarelly) many University undergraduates, are fixated with car-crash tv, celeb trash stories and swarm around these things like bees round a honey pot. If someone found a cure for AIDS they would be seen as much less of a national hero than someone who shagged a footballer or was once on a reality TV show and is now getting coverage for having fights in nightlubs. It's enough to make you want to close the blinds, turn everything off, and never leave your home again. Did millions of our countrymen die in wars over the last century for a society like this?
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Was she 'underclass' as you so eloquently put it?
A quick glance at wikipedia tells me that she was a dental nurse before entering the BB house in 2002. Sounds pretty working class to me. And having an alcoholic mother, and a father that was a petty criminal and drug addict, I'd say getting herself a job as a dental nurse was an achievement. What is the Labour party's opinion of this, colonel? Is becoming a dental nurse not good enough? Are the cleaners at your local town hall also part of this 'underclass'? Hmmmm.... Not something I'd expect from a Labour man.
Now, between the BB3 and the infamous CelebBB she made fitness videos, wrote a biography and opened up some sort of beauty salon. Surely, for all you Tories on here, this is to be respected? Wasn't it Thatcher's dream to make it possible for the entrepreneurial ones amongst the working classes to start their own business adventures if they so chose?
It seems Mrs Goody should be admired from both standpoints here. She started off as a respectable nurse, paying her taxes and providing a service, and ended up starting her own business, maybe employing others (?).
I too was a little pissed at the circus around poor Jade's demise, but I didn't blame her. It's the media that's fed her to us on a daily basis and I think we all agree that the media should be free to print what it likes, as long as it's based on truth, or opinion. The media are just following the easiest route to profit. Surely this is another thing to admire from all you capitalist-loving conservatives?
To conclude my personal thoughts (and thus, the most sensible ? obviously) is:
"This media love-in for Jade's a bit tiresome isn't it? Still, it raised awareness in young women about cervical cancer. And didn't Jade do well, considering her upbringing?! Well done Jade Goody!"
RIP Jade Goody, and my thoughts go out to two distraught, confused, frightened young lads who won't see their mother again.
A quick glance at wikipedia tells me that she was a dental nurse before entering the BB house in 2002. Sounds pretty working class to me. And having an alcoholic mother, and a father that was a petty criminal and drug addict, I'd say getting herself a job as a dental nurse was an achievement. What is the Labour party's opinion of this, colonel? Is becoming a dental nurse not good enough? Are the cleaners at your local town hall also part of this 'underclass'? Hmmmm.... Not something I'd expect from a Labour man.
Now, between the BB3 and the infamous CelebBB she made fitness videos, wrote a biography and opened up some sort of beauty salon. Surely, for all you Tories on here, this is to be respected? Wasn't it Thatcher's dream to make it possible for the entrepreneurial ones amongst the working classes to start their own business adventures if they so chose?
It seems Mrs Goody should be admired from both standpoints here. She started off as a respectable nurse, paying her taxes and providing a service, and ended up starting her own business, maybe employing others (?).
I too was a little pissed at the circus around poor Jade's demise, but I didn't blame her. It's the media that's fed her to us on a daily basis and I think we all agree that the media should be free to print what it likes, as long as it's based on truth, or opinion. The media are just following the easiest route to profit. Surely this is another thing to admire from all you capitalist-loving conservatives?
To conclude my personal thoughts (and thus, the most sensible ? obviously) is:
"This media love-in for Jade's a bit tiresome isn't it? Still, it raised awareness in young women about cervical cancer. And didn't Jade do well, considering her upbringing?! Well done Jade Goody!"
RIP Jade Goody, and my thoughts go out to two distraught, confused, frightened young lads who won't see their mother again.
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Re: The Jade Goody business: a new low for Britain?
Sam Slater wrote:
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But Sam - do you seriously think that she did any of that herself?
Bear in mind that we're talking about a woman who thought that Cambridge was part of London, and who was under the impression that "East Angular" was another country.
Do you think that someone like that would be capable of writing not just one but TWO autobiographies - bearing in mind that to do so requires a certain level of intellect and literacy?
Or perhaps you do in fact realise that in all likelihood, said autobiograhies were ghost-written by someone else (as indeed are the vast majority of those supposedly 'by' Neanderthal footballers and vacuous 'celebs' like Katie Price)?
And do you really believe that such a woman would have the business nous to start up and run the business ventures that you list?
Or do you think that it was most likely a case of entrepreneurs spotting a window of opportunity to make big money from the UK's chav market, simply using Jade Goody as a front by putting her name to a product and paying her for the priviledge?
You know, along the lines of "Hey Jade, we've had this great idea for a perfume. All YOU have to do to earn yourself a cool million is let us call it "Shh ... Jade Goody" - and your friend Max can even tell the world that you're "launching your own perfume".
Because if I were a betting man, I know where my money would be.
Nice "work" if you can get it.
- Eric
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But Sam - do you seriously think that she did any of that herself?
Bear in mind that we're talking about a woman who thought that Cambridge was part of London, and who was under the impression that "East Angular" was another country.
Do you think that someone like that would be capable of writing not just one but TWO autobiographies - bearing in mind that to do so requires a certain level of intellect and literacy?
Or perhaps you do in fact realise that in all likelihood, said autobiograhies were ghost-written by someone else (as indeed are the vast majority of those supposedly 'by' Neanderthal footballers and vacuous 'celebs' like Katie Price)?
And do you really believe that such a woman would have the business nous to start up and run the business ventures that you list?
Or do you think that it was most likely a case of entrepreneurs spotting a window of opportunity to make big money from the UK's chav market, simply using Jade Goody as a front by putting her name to a product and paying her for the priviledge?
You know, along the lines of "Hey Jade, we've had this great idea for a perfume. All YOU have to do to earn yourself a cool million is let us call it "Shh ... Jade Goody" - and your friend Max can even tell the world that you're "launching your own perfume".
Because if I were a betting man, I know where my money would be.
Nice "work" if you can get it.
- Eric
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Yeah of course she "wrote" that book Sam and yeah she worked in the reception of "her" Beauty Salon (she even deduced formulas to make her own Beauty Products in her cellar during her lunch break) ... really like to hear different viewpoints but it is beliefs like these that are fucking this country over big time right now.
I think the wiki entry must be a typo as well as she was more likely to be a MENTAL NURSE as opposed to a Dental Nurse.
I think the wiki entry must be a typo as well as she was more likely to be a MENTAL NURSE as opposed to a Dental Nurse.
PEOPLE think Stephen Hawking is so clever, but when you ask him a question and he is typing in the answer on his little screen, how do we know he isn't just looking up the answer on the Internet?