The rise of the British National Party...

[colonel]

I think you are believing the Daily Mail, Daily Express and a thousand and one stereotypes. Not all Britain is parts of inner London- not all of inner London are those parts.

[JonnyHungwell]

It's only illegal to be a Holocaust Denier in Israel and the a large part of Europe (Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Israel, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Poland, Portugal, Romania, and Switzerland. Slovakia).

So the deniers can deny with impunity here - the way it should be. Anyone denying the events ever took place are sadly deluded or bordering on evil - or just want to believe it never happened, but it not right to convict them for what amounts to a thought crime.

[Steve R]

Nobody is denying that a great many Jews died in places under Nazi control (although it was certainly nowhere near six million).

However, the great majority of 'Holocaust deniers' argue that they died as a result of overwork, poor nutrition or disease. They claim that the camps were only ever work camps and that the only thing that cyanide gas (Zyklon B) was ever used for was disinfecting bedding.

So, although a great many Jews died, the 'Holocaust deniers' say that there were no gas chambers that were used for the purpose of killing people, and therefore no 'Holocaust'.

[number 6]

Steve R,if you have seen any evidence on films or tv interviews of surviviors seeing their fellow jews being led off to the gas chambers to be gassed then you woul realise how insulting and sick the BNP views are.

[Steve R]

number 6,

I have not seen any such evidence.

What I outlined were the generally-held views of most 'Holocaust deniers', not those of the BNP (I have no idea what the BNP's official position is on this matter).

[beutelwolf]

Steve R wrote:

> Nobody is denying that a great many Jews died in places under
> Nazi control (although it was certainly nowhere near six
> million).

Personally - and I should stress that I am German - I do believe that there were death camps and genocide at an industrial scale, perpetrated by industrial means. I do have issues though with the often quoted "6 million" figure, not because I doubt that the Nazis weren't capable of atrocities at that scale (i.e. morally capable - logistically capable is another matter), but because the figure has become too political - denying it has been equated with denying the suffering etc. That has my political alarm bells ringing. I just cannot trust a figure that has so much political clout attached to it.

That aside, I do not understand why this is an issue for the BNP? I mean, what has it got to do with them? The only thing the BNP achieves by raising the issue is to give the distinct impression that they see themselves in the tradition of Nazism and thus feel urged to improve upon its reputation. A sure fire vote loser if I have ever seen one.

[max_tranmere]

I am not sure what the BNP's position on the Holocaust is anyway - although I heard once that their leader, Nick Griifin, commented on it saying that it was not as high a number as some claim, back in the 1990's. Even if the numbers were not that high (and I am CERTAIN that it was 6 million - why would anyone exagerate the numbers? The Nazi's would be seen as evil anyway even if the number was 3, 4 or 5 million) the term 'Holoucaust' would still have been used with reference to what happened over the last 60+ years anyway. The definition of 'Holocaust' is 'whole burnt' so that would apply to a large scale extermination of people whether the numbers were that high, or somewhat lower.

[number 6]

Agree with most of what you say Julien,but its not just the tabloids that whip up hatred. Try reading the telegraph,times or even the guardian and there are more than a few columnists whipping up the same shite,but doing it in a far more condascending,roundabout way.