Is this the new BNP forum?

[beutelwolf]

when I first saw Steve R's response to vp002 I thought it was meant ironically, but apparently not...

Anyway, there are people who prefer to keep different races/religions in different communities: you live there, we live here, and in particular: I live amongst my lot. Even within the UK - look at places like Blackburn or Bradford.

The reason for this preference is foremost to live amongst people who share your values, your morals, your way of life, your aspirations, your pet peeves, your culture, your language, etc. If you do then it is much easier to live the life you are used to living, say what you want to say, do what you want to do - without falling foul of foreign standards you may not even be aware of.

Race is an indicator that someone is different. On its own it is no more than skin-deep-different, but on average the distinction goes further than that, e.g. someone of a different race is more likely to have a different religion too, etc.

[beutelwolf]

colonel wrote:

> I know this much- you are welcome to stay in Britain. It is the
> Neanderthal characters who should go back- to the German or
> Danish lands that they left 1,000 years ago if needs be.

that reminds me of that woman in a channel 4 documentary who insisted that she was of pure Anglo-Saxon descent, for that full 1,000+ years, and who - surprise, surprise - after genetic tests turned out to have very mixed ancestors.

Just do the maths: 1,000 years is approximately 40 generations, so everyone's family tree would have roughly 2^40 places to fill back then - slightly more than a trillion, exceeding the size of the Earth's population by a factor of at least 1,000. Your chances that no Johnny foreigners have sneaked in somewhere are basically zero.

[Sam Slater]

[quote]The reason for this preference is foremost to live amongst people who share your values, your morals, your way of life, your aspirations, your pet peeves, your culture, your language, etc.[/quote]

Exactly, which is why we should do more to encourage integration. At the moment, it's encouraged to develop small communities within our big cities and towns. People, as you say, feel more secure, and happier amongst like-minded people. The downside is that differing communities can isolate themselves from eachother.

The current situation means that though our nation may be multi-cultured, the people are not. You can be a Pakistani, in certain parts of Britain, and weather apart, live the exact same life as you would do in Pakistan. You can be delivered by a Muslim doctor, educated in a Muslim school, do all your grocery and clothe shopping in Muslim run stores, have 24 hour Arabic/Urdu satellite, and obviously, follow your own religion. This is the same with Jews and the white population.

Our society is too fragmented and we only have to gaze our eyes over the Irish Sea to predict what long-term fragmentation of society does (and they don't even have to deal with race on top of it all).

I don't think race is much of an issue anymore (or it shouldn't be). It's increasingly all about beliefs, cultures and ideologies.

There are many things we can adopt from other cultures, to better ourselves and in the past we have done exactly that, despite race issues. Increasingly though, as the small communities get bigger, they fell less need to leanr and integrate with others. for multicultural society to work we must become closer, otherwise I can see walls being built to divide communities, like Belfast. Surely we can learn from the mistakes in Northern Ireland? We must.

[Steve R]

Marvellous post, Sam.

[Sam Slater]

Thank you, Steve.

I'd just like to add that I don't feel we're anywhere near a 'tipping point' when it comes to comparisons with Belfast. I just think that 3rd and 4th generation immigrant babies are increasingly born into their own communities and have no need to venture out of them.

Living in a big Asian community myself, Asians my age, who are 2nd generation immigrants have a perfect grasp of English, and a definite Yorkshire accent; we were brought up together. Increasingly, I see 8-10 year old kids, born here, that have no localised accent, with patchy, broken English. Mainly, these are the kids educated in Islamic schools.

I fucking hate religious based schooling. If there's anything that's more divisive, i've not seen it.

[Steve R]

Well, as I hope I have made clear, I hate religion above all things.

(well...except perhaps Stevie Ray Vaughan's guitar playing)

[Flat_Eric]

Sam Slater wrote:

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I couldn't agree more, Sam. In fact I was just coming back to this thread to say exactly that myself, only to find you'd beat me to it in that very good post above.

Of course, when one criticises Islam (for example), one inevitably attracts the silly, knee-jerk accusations of "racism" - when it isn't about skin colour at all.

If you have to label it as an "-ism" of some sort (which seems to be the norm these days), then it's more "culturalism" or "beliefism" (I just made that one up but it fits, I think!).

And while it's true to say that there's a lot of anti-Islamic "culturalism" about, let's also not lose sight of the fact that Islam itself is perhaps the most aggressively "culturalist" creed on the planet today.

Islam (most of whose adherants just happen to be non-white) doesn't have a problem with other races - but it is extremely "beliefist" and "culturalist" against non-Muslims.

- Eric

[vp002]

Well ...

All posts here are interesting but people like me can try to integrate as much as we like but as in steve r's post ,stated that people would rather prefer if i dont live here at all.

so basically we cant win.....

[Steve R]

I wouldn't worry about it; people with such preferences are in the minority.

[vp002]

thanks Steve !

its just sometimes its difficult !