Hardcore C4 Layla~Jades Reply...

[Layla~Jade]

Wow !!! So many postings on that documentary last night, so this one is for everyone as it will hopefully give an overall picture on the way things are and the way that I feel about them.
This is what I have to say on the documentary "Hardcore" that was screened last night and also about the occurrences within it.
This documentary has pissed me off considerably, once again the adult industry has been misrepresented for good television and high viewing rates.That was the idea. The hype and publicity surrounding this documentary was ridiculous, as it has already been pointed out on another posting in this forum, "what sexual and explicit footage ?" Where was this terribly graphic content that we were all warned about.
The industry is nothing like that, with two and a half years experience under my belt and having starred in over 200 movies, having worked in Amsterdam, Germany,France, America and the UK... believe you me I am more then qualified to say.
They just took one girl who had a bad experience on one occasion and exploited it and her for television and wasn't it good !!!
Stephen geared the documentary up to show the exploitation of poor, young, innocent, girls when he was one of the main culprits himself. That must mean that I'm exploited too then. I don't think so, doesn't quite fit the Layla~Jade you know does it?
What Richard did was wrong, there is no denying that, but he is deffinitly not the suit case pimp that they made him out to be via the miricle of cleaver editing and only using footage that shed him in such a light.
I know the guy well and he also did this to me, but luckily I had the sense to clarify exactly what I was going to experience at the hands of max hardcore before arriving for the shoot, admittedly Felicity tried but due to the fact that the television crew where there Richard chose not to be as specific as he could have been or was when I asked him on my first trip out there myself, however the television crew knew what she was walking into though as the brief clip that they showed of myself discussing Max was shot way before felicity's visit to him with Richard.
Indeed we had discussed it on numerous occasions both on and off camera. So why didn't they say ?.
Why didn't I tell her myself ? Because it was never made clear to me what was going on, I was only told of her "dreadful" experience after it had already occurred.
Indeed the character Max hardcore is horrible, abusive and a women hater but that is his character... the guy himself is actually ok, I am not defending either he or what he does and just because I have shoot for him does not mean that I agree with this kind of sex or enjoy it, if you can even call what he does sex, but at the same time I am just trying to put across a clear perspective on the guy himself from someone who knows, has been there, brought the postcard and done that on two occasions.
Did anyone notice when he was in character and when he was not ?
When he enters the office and she allows him to stick his knob up her he is merely getting into character, psyching himself up for the scene, you can tell as his voice changes slightly and he starts to do those peculiar little grimaces, also note the questions about her age, height and weight ? It is so he can start to develop a personal for her in his mind...IE) that of a young girl (which again I do not condone, I am merely stating facts).
Though when felicity freaks out and max is in the bedroom with her it is clear to see that he is no longer in character.
Why Richard was smirking when Max is screwing her in the office though I have no idea, though I would hope that it is not because he is getting his own back on her, just simply because he has seen Max behave in such a way so many times before. Though only Richard knows the answer to that one.
Like Stephen said "they decided not to intervene at this point".... why ? did anyone not see that it was because Stephen (the public school boy) wanted to make good television ? that's why.
He wanted to shoot a documentary from which he would achieve status and make money.
There are many people that slag him Max off but what you must remember is this. THERE IS A MARKET FOR THIS STUFF.
If people didn't buy this shit then he would not shoot it, he's not doing it for the good of his health, supply and demand and you saw his house with your own eyes...the guy is fucking minted. Million's of people buy his films world wide doesn't that say something to you. People wanna see this stuff.
Also note that after felicity shot for max she then went of to do rough sex which was actually banned within the first couple of months of production due to the fact that shooting this sort of stuff is not the industry slandered and the industry would not put up with it. Rough sex is much worse then anything that hardcore does.
For example they was a very well known incident when one of the girls was shooting for this line and was deep-throating on of the guys and making herself retch, she did it to much and ran to the toilet to be sick, they consequently followed her and filmed her vomiting to be included in the movie.
In rough sex the girls were being choked to unconsciousness, somewhere where max would never go, they are punched, kicked, hit and welted. Again something that you would never see in a max hardcore movie. But she enjoyed that so where do you go from there. I've shoot for max twice but I refused point blank to do rough sex not only because of the horror stories I had heard about it but also because I had worked with max I knew what and where my limitations were. Any way being beaten up is simply not my scene.
Again, nor is it sex
Don't be mislead by this bullshit, it is NOT what the industry is like, I have shot over 200 scenes and been in the industry two and a half years, everyone is really really nice and nobody gets exploited,with the exception of a couple of characters such as Rocco and max its just normal stuff that is shot, the people that made this documentary wanted you to be shocked that was exactly what they wanted and its worked. Fair play if it was a realistic perspective on the industry but it is not. This retched documentary has just been another kick in the teeth for adult yet adult cannot answer back so that's exactly what I am doing now, the public need to know the truth. I am so mad about this, the British cencorshit laws have at last just been changed and Briton has just come out of the dark ages in reference to porn and then they bring out this. Just as pornography is starting to become more readily excepted a documentary that basically puts across that we are all sickos perverts and paedophiles comes along. Great that's just what the business needs. its unfair that the industry should be blackened by one silly little girl who clearly had problems and
should never have gone into the industry in the first place. As you heard her say, it was only to get back at her father anyway.
Do it because you enjoy it or don't do it at all. Hard core pornography is not the answer when you are looking to get revenge on some one. If you know what your doing and your doing it for the right reasons its a fantastic, fun and lucrative business to be in.

[joe king]

In the documentary you talk about an incident with Max Hardcore. I think you said he put his hand in your mouth and cut your tongue. Was this filmed? Why didn't you sue? What sort of contract do you sign? I note that Kahn Tusion had a list of stuff that Felicity was ticking. Did Max give you a consent form?

I am not sure when you say 'max likes young girls' do you mean underage (US has some states with different ages of consent I think) or do you mean the young girl look?(the school girl look)
I am not sure that 'Rough Sex' was banned. Reading a little in
rec.arts.movies.erotica newsgroup it seems like 'One of the girls got
freaked out and everyone reacted and that led to tremendous talks and it
being pulled off the shelves.'

I have seen Oral Consumption #1(by Kahn Tusion). A scene I remember includes a girl and 2 men, they try to pull her hair and she stops them immediately. The video even has a warning'not for the weak or squeamish'. Bunny Luv is being told by Kahn tosay some nasty stupid things.

[Pasta]

>
> I am not sure when you say 'max likes young girls' do you
> mean underage (US has some states with different ages of
> consent I think) or do you mean the young girl look?(the
> school girl look)

Without speaking for Layla-Jade, as far as I am concerned Max is definitely hinting at underage, ie illegal. Although he uses over 18s, I have read that he talks about stuff like "Sunday School" and soft toys etc, basically kids stuff.

> I am not sure that 'Rough Sex' was banned. Reading a little in
> rec.arts.movies.erotica newsgroup it seems like 'One of the
> girls got
> freaked out and everyone reacted and that led to tremendous
> talks and it
> being pulled off the shelves.'
>
As far as I am aware, it was not banned but Anabolic did withdraw it due to more widespread condemnation, plus commercial pressure.

[bmuk]

I don't see the distinction between Max going into and out of character - at all times he seems like a slimeball. I mean, when he joins her upstairs at first he tries his "you're special, you know that" which had to be the most unconvincing & phoniest speech I've ever heard in my life, it was obvious he meant quite the opposite. Then when he thought he wasn't going to get his way he laid into her for stopping the shoot, he got nasty & aggressive with her. But in both instances he was obnoxious.

[UK Porn Viewer]

I can fully understand why the documentary pissed you off. It was clear that 'clever editing' WAS consistently used to make Richard look like a total asshole. The real problem I have with this 'documentary' is that the director breaks the golden rule of documentary-making. When was the last time you saw David Attenborough run into shot, apply bandages to a Zebra that's been cut up by a lion and then take it to hospital? Never. That's because documentary making should provide the viewer with a realistic portrayal of what happens. If I was to film a US baseball game, where I'd paid hundreds of fans to run onto the field and kick the shit out of the player, I'd have broken the rules of documentary filming. I know I'm getting sidetracked but the point is, that the director shouldn't be making these prodcutions if he's not prepared to let 'nature run it's course'.

btw - I'm not entirely sure I agree that Max was just 'getting into character' when he was fucking the bitch in his introduction to her. However, it instantly gave her a good idea of how things were going to be done afterwards. She seemed to allow Max to do whatever he liked then, so why wouldn't he assume it was OK to do the same when the filming started? I think all the problems stem from her mental issues, problems that really mean someone isn't capable of handling any serious career in the porn business.

[Andrew]

Layla - I hope you will send this message (or something like it) to the newspapers who were discussing this documentary before it appeared!

Posting here you are preaching to the converted (I guess we all like porn and most of us thought the "documentary" was not true to life). The general public (i.e. non porn fans) will not have had the same impression.

Best wishes,

Andrew

[bmuk]

If you send your balanced, construtive, etc, criticisms to Channel 4, to the documentary commissioning editor ie the guy who gave the program the go-ahead, he will fwd it to the producer/production company.

[Ned]

And they'll do knob-all about balance. They might stick you on Right to Reply and use wobbly camera work to make you look like a Macintosh case though.

[harris]

and make you talk in a really whiingy voice...

"I waaas troooly appauuuled by this how low can channel four stoop to blah blah cutting edge channel blahdy boring la la la.."

[Xeno]

I felt compelled to write this after reading Layla's comments on the 'Hardcore' documentary. To set this into some sort of framework, I work in television and have been a documentary editor for several years. This gives me some knowledge of the pressure that the producers go to make these sort of programmes.

Given the time that the documentary took to get to screen I'd imagine that it wasn't commissioned. This means that the production company had to trawl it around the major broadcasters and sell it to the highest bidder.

Although I'm sure the production crew was disturbed by the events in the max hardcore house -- I sure in hell was -- this is what made the documentary. When they bring this sort of footage back to the editor, s/he is told to construct the programme around the footage. This means that each of the participants will then be edited to complement the 'max' footage. Good or bad!

If they didn't get that max hardcore footage then the documentary would have been completely different. To be honest in some respects that max hardcore scene was the result of the documentary crew being present. Max probably wouldn't have played up to the camera so much and perhaps Felicity wouldn't have freaked out so much if the UK crew wasn't present!

I'm afraid this is life and a documentary that shows the real hardcore industry won't get made until somebody like Layla buys a DV camera and films it herself. I've often wondered why this has never happened, Layla, care to comment on this?