McLaren for England - it bodes ill
Re: McLaren for England - it bodes ill
Sorry that 1.8 million for Micheal "who ate all the pies" Ricketts
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Bob Singleton
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Re: McLaren for England - it bodes ill
diplodocus wrote:
the fact that the job was offered to 'big phil' first makes it quite obvious that steve was second choice...
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FACT??? What "fact"? The only "obvious" thing about your post is that you believe whatever The Sun (or whatever tawdry rag it is that you read) prints!
Scolari never said he'd been offered the job. He *did* say he no longer wanted to be *considered* for the job.
The FA have said he was never offered the job, but that he was interviewed three times as part of the "on-going selection process".
A few weeks ago McLaren was the bookies favourite. Then Brian Barwick was seen going to Portugal and the tabs thought "hello, he's off to offer the job to Scolari", so having dropped down the bookies list, Scolari was suddenly touted as the next manager in a done-and-dusted deal.
Let's go with the theory that McLaren was a "compromise" candidate in so far as he wasn't the prefered candidate of most, but, unlike the others, nobody was actually against him. Does it matter if he wasn't first choice? It's been said that Sir Alf Ramsey was second choice, and he did alright.
Have a go at McLaren for being a ginger-haired Yorkshire twat by all means... I know I will... but until he's started the job, picked his first squad, played his first few games, etc., I don't think it's fair for anyone to judge him on his England managerial abilities.
the fact that the job was offered to 'big phil' first makes it quite obvious that steve was second choice...
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FACT??? What "fact"? The only "obvious" thing about your post is that you believe whatever The Sun (or whatever tawdry rag it is that you read) prints!
Scolari never said he'd been offered the job. He *did* say he no longer wanted to be *considered* for the job.
The FA have said he was never offered the job, but that he was interviewed three times as part of the "on-going selection process".
A few weeks ago McLaren was the bookies favourite. Then Brian Barwick was seen going to Portugal and the tabs thought "hello, he's off to offer the job to Scolari", so having dropped down the bookies list, Scolari was suddenly touted as the next manager in a done-and-dusted deal.
Let's go with the theory that McLaren was a "compromise" candidate in so far as he wasn't the prefered candidate of most, but, unlike the others, nobody was actually against him. Does it matter if he wasn't first choice? It's been said that Sir Alf Ramsey was second choice, and he did alright.
Have a go at McLaren for being a ginger-haired Yorkshire twat by all means... I know I will... but until he's started the job, picked his first squad, played his first few games, etc., I don't think it's fair for anyone to judge him on his England managerial abilities.
"But how to make Liverpool economically prosperous? If only there was some way for Liverpudlians to profit from going on and on about the past in a whiny voice."
- Stewart Lee
- Stewart Lee
Re: McLaren for England - it bodes ill
Come on.
Mourinho inherited a squad of players that had already had money lavished on it and then lavished some more. Benitez inherited mainly shite players from the Houllier era.
If you want to compare them then there is no comparison. The job Benitez has done in making 3 Cup Finals and getting Liverpool in the 3rd place on a limited budget compared to Mourinho's is far superior.
Mourinho is a quality manager but I, like most football fans don't see it as much of an achievement in what Chelsea have won and he, like Chelsea ,doesn't get much (if any) credit because the average guy in the street because of this.
They should win the Lge (and much more) and every year too with the money that they have.
Mourinho inherited a squad of players that had already had money lavished on it and then lavished some more. Benitez inherited mainly shite players from the Houllier era.
If you want to compare them then there is no comparison. The job Benitez has done in making 3 Cup Finals and getting Liverpool in the 3rd place on a limited budget compared to Mourinho's is far superior.
Mourinho is a quality manager but I, like most football fans don't see it as much of an achievement in what Chelsea have won and he, like Chelsea ,doesn't get much (if any) credit because the average guy in the street because of this.
They should win the Lge (and much more) and every year too with the money that they have.
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Bob Singleton
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Re: McLaren for England - it bodes ill
eduardo wrote:
Come on.
Mourinho inherited a squad of players that had already had money lavished on it and then lavished some more. Benitez inherited mainly shite players from the Houllier era.
If you want to compare them then there is no comparison. The job Benitez has done in making 3 Cup Finals and getting Liverpool in the 3rd place on a limited budget compared to Mourinho's is far superior.
Mourinho is a quality manager but I, like most football fans don't see it as much of an achievement in what Chelsea have won and he, like Chelsea, doesn't get much (if any) credit because the average guy in the street because of this.
They should win the Lge (and much more) and every year too with the money that they have.
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You're right; there's no comparison.
Mourinho won the UEFA Cup and Champions League with a very average Porto side bought on a shoe-string... but best not mention that because it would blow your spurrious arguments out of the water! Four consecutive seasons without a home league defeat. Four domestic titles on the trot. Yep... no comparison!
Rafa is a decent manager, and a decent person, but is a long way short of what could be considered a man worthy of getting the job of managing a top international side.
You talk of all the money Chelsea have spent... we needed to to catch up with all the spending Man U, Liverpool, etc., have done over the years! I seem to remember Houllier spending masses of money on shite players... so it's not just a question of money. Look at all the money Real Madrid or Inter Milan have spent... where are all their trophies?
The money argument is only used by those whose clubs don't have the quality or team spirit needed to win the league on a regular basis. Arsenal have spent less than Liverpool over the last 10 years, yet have been more succesful. So why didn't the money Liverpool spent guarantee them succes?
Yes Chelsea have a billionaire owner, but if you actually sat down and used your brain, you might realise that that's just as much of a handicap as a benefit. Would many of the players bought over the last few years cost as much if it had been another club buying?
Come on.
Mourinho inherited a squad of players that had already had money lavished on it and then lavished some more. Benitez inherited mainly shite players from the Houllier era.
If you want to compare them then there is no comparison. The job Benitez has done in making 3 Cup Finals and getting Liverpool in the 3rd place on a limited budget compared to Mourinho's is far superior.
Mourinho is a quality manager but I, like most football fans don't see it as much of an achievement in what Chelsea have won and he, like Chelsea, doesn't get much (if any) credit because the average guy in the street because of this.
They should win the Lge (and much more) and every year too with the money that they have.
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You're right; there's no comparison.
Mourinho won the UEFA Cup and Champions League with a very average Porto side bought on a shoe-string... but best not mention that because it would blow your spurrious arguments out of the water! Four consecutive seasons without a home league defeat. Four domestic titles on the trot. Yep... no comparison!
Rafa is a decent manager, and a decent person, but is a long way short of what could be considered a man worthy of getting the job of managing a top international side.
You talk of all the money Chelsea have spent... we needed to to catch up with all the spending Man U, Liverpool, etc., have done over the years! I seem to remember Houllier spending masses of money on shite players... so it's not just a question of money. Look at all the money Real Madrid or Inter Milan have spent... where are all their trophies?
The money argument is only used by those whose clubs don't have the quality or team spirit needed to win the league on a regular basis. Arsenal have spent less than Liverpool over the last 10 years, yet have been more succesful. So why didn't the money Liverpool spent guarantee them succes?
Yes Chelsea have a billionaire owner, but if you actually sat down and used your brain, you might realise that that's just as much of a handicap as a benefit. Would many of the players bought over the last few years cost as much if it had been another club buying?
"But how to make Liverpool economically prosperous? If only there was some way for Liverpudlians to profit from going on and on about the past in a whiny voice."
- Stewart Lee
- Stewart Lee
Re: McLaren for England - it bodes ill
Bob I think it's you that really needs to engage your brain first as you don't have talk some nonesense.
Go and ask football supporters (why not try some outside of Chelsea and London) what they think of Chelsea and they'll nearly all tell you it's no achievement whatsever. Chelsea bought the league etc etc.
You simply don't like the truth.
Benitez is at least the equal of Mourinho and in my book better. Look what he achieved with absolutely no money at all at Valencia? He had to to sell players before he could buy and still beat the might of Madrid and Barcelona. Mourinho's Porto side were good as you don't achieve what they did without being so but domestically who did they beat? Sporting? Benfica? Boavista? Does their Championship compare with Spain's. Errrr no and remember Benitez won the Uefa Cup with Valencia as well.
Also Look what happened in the FA Cup semi. A much better Chelsea side lost that game because Mourinho picked the wrong side and lost the tactical battle.
The simple fact is you have a bitterness towards Liverpool as we dumped you out of the European Cup and beat you in the FA Cup. Two games that you thought you had a divine right to win and didn't and you simply don't like that fact and it clouds your judgement.
You know I don't hate Mourinho or Chelsea football club. I don't like what they've become as I believe it's bad for the game overall but I don't hate them.
However you're just bitter.
Go and ask football supporters (why not try some outside of Chelsea and London) what they think of Chelsea and they'll nearly all tell you it's no achievement whatsever. Chelsea bought the league etc etc.
You simply don't like the truth.
Benitez is at least the equal of Mourinho and in my book better. Look what he achieved with absolutely no money at all at Valencia? He had to to sell players before he could buy and still beat the might of Madrid and Barcelona. Mourinho's Porto side were good as you don't achieve what they did without being so but domestically who did they beat? Sporting? Benfica? Boavista? Does their Championship compare with Spain's. Errrr no and remember Benitez won the Uefa Cup with Valencia as well.
Also Look what happened in the FA Cup semi. A much better Chelsea side lost that game because Mourinho picked the wrong side and lost the tactical battle.
The simple fact is you have a bitterness towards Liverpool as we dumped you out of the European Cup and beat you in the FA Cup. Two games that you thought you had a divine right to win and didn't and you simply don't like that fact and it clouds your judgement.
You know I don't hate Mourinho or Chelsea football club. I don't like what they've become as I believe it's bad for the game overall but I don't hate them.
However you're just bitter.
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diplodocus
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Re: McLaren for England - it bodes ill
hmmm, you seem to have this assumption that anyone who disagrees with you must read tabloids (I don't), i'm the second person you've said that to
we are Leeds.... , and we can still beat the mighty Chester
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Bob Singleton
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Re: McLaren for England - it bodes ill
eduardo wrote:
Bob I think it's you that really needs to engage your brain first as you don't have talk some nonesense.
Go and ask football supporters (why not try some outside of Chelsea and London) what they think of Chelsea and they'll nearly all tell you it's no achievement whatsever. Chelsea bought the league etc etc.
You simply don't like the truth.
Benitez is at least the equal of Mourinho and in my book better. Look what he achieved with absolutely no money at all at Valencia? He had to to sell players before he could buy and still beat the might of Madrid and Barcelona. Mourinho's Porto side were good as you don't achieve what they did without being so but domestically who did they beat? Sporting? Benfica?
Boavista? Does their Championship compare with Spain's. Errrr no and remember Benitez won the Uefa Cup with Valencia as well.
Also Look what happened in the FA Cup semi. A much better Chelsea side lost that game because Mourinho picked the wrong side and lost the tactical battle.
The simple fact is you have a bitterness towards Liverpool as we dumped you out of the European Cup and beat you in the FA Cup. Two games that you thought you had a divine right to win and didn't and you simply don't like that fact and it clouds your judgement.
You know I don't hate Mourinho or Chelsea football club. I don't like what they've become as I believe it's bad for the game overall but I don't hate them.
However you're just bitter.
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I'm not bitter at all... upset that we lost because of tactical mistakes that never gave us a chance in the first place, yes. But that upset is aimed at Mourinho, not Liverpool!
So, when Man U were winning the Premiership year in year out, do you consider they bought the league too? Logically you must answer yes, as at the time Man Utd could outbid every other English club when it came to buying players.
While the sums of money involved are greater now, it could be argued that most clubs over the years have "bought the league". Liverpool, in the 80s, Man U and Blackburn more recently.
No, it's not bitterness on my part... just the green-eyed monster on yours!
I'd love Chelsea to win the Champions League, but I know that luck plays a big part and that the best team in Europe doesn't always win it (2005 was a case in point). Hopefully Barca will beat Arsenal in the final as they have played by the far the best football this season.
Were either Porto or Monaco the two best teams in Europe in 2004? Of course not, but they were the finalists.
So while I'd love Chelsea to win the CL, the true test of an English club's pedigree is the weekly grind of the Premiership, and Liverpool are far from being strong contenders.
Be pleased with your 3rd place this year, because that's the best you'll manage for the next few years. Arsenal will be back, and Spurs are getting stronger. I wouldn't mind betting that even West Ham will finish higher than you.
As for Rafa... nice man, but just not good enough (though probably better than you deserve)
Bob I think it's you that really needs to engage your brain first as you don't have talk some nonesense.
Go and ask football supporters (why not try some outside of Chelsea and London) what they think of Chelsea and they'll nearly all tell you it's no achievement whatsever. Chelsea bought the league etc etc.
You simply don't like the truth.
Benitez is at least the equal of Mourinho and in my book better. Look what he achieved with absolutely no money at all at Valencia? He had to to sell players before he could buy and still beat the might of Madrid and Barcelona. Mourinho's Porto side were good as you don't achieve what they did without being so but domestically who did they beat? Sporting? Benfica?
Boavista? Does their Championship compare with Spain's. Errrr no and remember Benitez won the Uefa Cup with Valencia as well.
Also Look what happened in the FA Cup semi. A much better Chelsea side lost that game because Mourinho picked the wrong side and lost the tactical battle.
The simple fact is you have a bitterness towards Liverpool as we dumped you out of the European Cup and beat you in the FA Cup. Two games that you thought you had a divine right to win and didn't and you simply don't like that fact and it clouds your judgement.
You know I don't hate Mourinho or Chelsea football club. I don't like what they've become as I believe it's bad for the game overall but I don't hate them.
However you're just bitter.
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I'm not bitter at all... upset that we lost because of tactical mistakes that never gave us a chance in the first place, yes. But that upset is aimed at Mourinho, not Liverpool!
So, when Man U were winning the Premiership year in year out, do you consider they bought the league too? Logically you must answer yes, as at the time Man Utd could outbid every other English club when it came to buying players.
While the sums of money involved are greater now, it could be argued that most clubs over the years have "bought the league". Liverpool, in the 80s, Man U and Blackburn more recently.
No, it's not bitterness on my part... just the green-eyed monster on yours!
I'd love Chelsea to win the Champions League, but I know that luck plays a big part and that the best team in Europe doesn't always win it (2005 was a case in point). Hopefully Barca will beat Arsenal in the final as they have played by the far the best football this season.
Were either Porto or Monaco the two best teams in Europe in 2004? Of course not, but they were the finalists.
So while I'd love Chelsea to win the CL, the true test of an English club's pedigree is the weekly grind of the Premiership, and Liverpool are far from being strong contenders.
Be pleased with your 3rd place this year, because that's the best you'll manage for the next few years. Arsenal will be back, and Spurs are getting stronger. I wouldn't mind betting that even West Ham will finish higher than you.
As for Rafa... nice man, but just not good enough (though probably better than you deserve)
"But how to make Liverpool economically prosperous? If only there was some way for Liverpudlians to profit from going on and on about the past in a whiny voice."
- Stewart Lee
- Stewart Lee
Re: McLaren for England - it bodes ill
No he just doesn't like it when anyone disagrees with his opinion.
Re: McLaren for England - it bodes ill
Yeah at least give the guy a chance to at least make a few "cock-ups" and demonstrate a lack of "tactical knowledge" before you start judging him, seems whoever was produced would have met with the usual derisitory shit the English Tabloids are famous for, remember the utter slagging that Taylor, Robson, Hoddle, Keegan and Sven have had dished out to them??
And you wonder why some "better" and more "qualified" coaches don't want to touch the job with a barepole??
Have to laugh ...
And you wonder why some "better" and more "qualified" coaches don't want to touch the job with a barepole??
Have to laugh ...
PEOPLE think Stephen Hawking is so clever, but when you ask him a question and he is typing in the answer on his little screen, how do we know he isn't just looking up the answer on the Internet?