morals in a liberal democracy

[eroticartist]

The law in this country is based on judaeo-christian religion whereas we live in a mainly secular society. We can see that looking around Europe that
the secular liberal democracies are the less violent, such as The Netherlands and Denmark.

We have a Prime Minister who is a church going Christian. We have an established church the Church of England, with the Monarch as its head.

Parliament does not represent its people. When I was born there was bombs dropping on me. The German state starting using bombs in the First World War in the Zeppellin raids, whereas before the military thought bombing non combatants and civilian targets was dishonourable. Hitler invented the concept of total war and this country followed. It was a dishonorable conflict which was won by deviousness and not by bravery. A bomber of civilians is a murderer whether from the air or at close range.
We used to sing Onward Christian soldiers at school!I think that it is about time that we had a revolution that establishes a secular society.

Censorship of sexual imagery by a morally biased elete is part of the
sexually hostile/religious democracy. They have to look at sexual imagery to decide which to ban. Visiting the anti pornographers Lord Longford's offices at Secker & warburg Frank pulled open a drawer to reveal one of the largest pornography caches that I have ever seen.

"Know Thine enemy"

Discuss.

Mike Freeman

[RetroDon]

Morals have become redundant, they are only ever used as a weapon against the people, usually in one form of censorship or another
Realistically, "morals" do not exist in any form of guidance or leadership, and probably never did. Where do you find morals? In Parliament? In organised religion? In banking? In law? In medicine?
Society is immoral, any cry of moral values is usually awash with double-standards and hypocrisy, they don't want to control things for the benefit of you and me, and this is reflected in the terminally ill society we live in.



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[eroticartist]

Hi Retro,


Morals have existed from the early beginnings of society. In Ancient Greece for example the aristocracy had a statue of Priapus with a huge phallus in their gardens. The punishment for stealing was the same for both male and female. They had to sit on the huge phallus per anum.

I believe that humankind is inherently good. There have been good and bad civilisations. It is up to the people to learn from the past mistakes. Most people wish to live in peace in their own communities for example.

Good and bad are subjective and mean different things to different people.

To millions the Pope is a good man even though he is head of a huge religious, economic, political institution and so unchristlike. Paradoxically millions believe that this ex Nazi is God's representative on Earth.

As the Who say: "Don't be fooled again."

Mike Freeman

[randyandy]

Mike

I know you have your opinion and are entitled to express it but please don't ever class this country with Hitlers Germany for want of a better phrase - it is total bollocks!

Andy

[nachovx]

"Liberal Democracy" is a euphemism for creeping dictatorship:

From

Some would argue that 'liberal democracy' is not democratic or liberal at all. They would argue that 'liberal democracy' does not respect majority rule (except when citizens are asked to vote for their representatives), and also that its "liberty" is restricted by the constitution or precedent (in the UK) decided by previous generations. They would argue that, by prohibiting citizens the right to cast votes on all issues (especially for serious subjects like going to war, constitutional amendments or constitution abolishment, etc.), this turns 'liberal democracy' into the precursor of oligarchy.

[eroticartist]

All bombers of civilians, and those who condone them, who set out to terrify the people of any country are terrorists and not soldiers.

Mike Freeman

[eroticartist]

Nachvox,

Excellent a very good theory here.
I wonder if you can give a reason for our so called liberal democracy being one of the few nations without a written constitution?

Mike Freeman

[nachovx]

Interestingly enough, an 80 year old Jewish survivor of Hitler's death camps and member of the Labour party, was only today removed from the conference by a bunch of heavies ... his crime was uttering one word of dissent during Jack straw's speech. See they are desperately trying to limit the damage.

[slamdaddy]

Saying parliament does not represent its people is an understatement. Was it over 1 million people protested against us possibly going to war in Iraq, and Blair still sent our troops over there (with inadequate equipment I might add) to secure the oil for him a Dubya, er, I mean to free the Iraqi people.
There was also one MP who told his constituents that he would lobby for whatever law they wanted him to pass or change, and when they came back to him and said, overwhelmingly, that they wanted the law changed so people could protect their own property and shooting an intruder was not illegal (as Blair had changed the law straight after the Tony Martin incident so that anyone incurring an injury on your property, no matter why they are there, can prosecute you for the injury), he flat refused to even consider it.

I do however find an error in your argument. We don't live in a democracy, we live in a monarchy. However much it's dressed up, the Queen is still the one calling the shots whenever she feels like it, the PM is just there so she doesn't have to do anything very often. The Queen meets with the PM every week, only she can sign for us to go to war, she can disolve parliament and overturn the result of any election and put in place whatever government she chooses, she can take everything away from us (homes, land, and and all property), and she's the only person in the whole country who you can't even talk about perhaps making unemployed because it's classed as high treason and that's the only offence that still carries the death penalty.

[nachovx]

There's a good site here with views as to why the British don't have a written constitution. One reason it's never been done is it would just be too difficult to codify it as no two people agree on what would go into it - and that's what politicians like, because they can interpret any law/rule to mean what they want it to mean in context of the current day - in other words give or take your rights at their will. The only recourse the citizen has is to vote against them at the next General Election, but with the opposition equally as blinkered it makes no difference and in the end we'll get what we deserve for letting them get away with it, a virtual police state, only trouble is it'll not stop the crime, it'll just keep a close eye on the law abidind citizen