Global warming?...really?

[Deuce Bigolo]

Its probably not cost effective and the current industries are probably protecting their own bottom lines

Recycling and existing businesses are diametrically opposed

You need only look at South Australia that pays 5 aussie cents for soft drink cans,bottles,flavoured milk cartons so they don't end up on the side of the road etc

We are the only state that does because the other states are under the thumb of lobbyists and even as we speak the industry is lobbying politicians to overturn this recycling industry

cheers
B....OZ

[IdolDroog]

Im with you on that. Around here we have an unbelievable amount of mothers picking up their kids in massive 4WD's and other big vehicles like that - for no reason at all, just because its more spacious presumably.pah.

I have been thinking for ages that I would love there to be a law against people having range rovers for the fucking school run and general life unless they can prove they NEED the damn things. If you live on a farm or something like that with a big bumpy path to get down - or like bimmercat need it for work purposes then fair enough, but its sickening otherwise

[IdolDroog]

Theres a very simple reason as to why peoplee have Range Rovers - superiority complex fed by sitting higher than the rest of us in their "mighty vehicles", combine that with the keeping-up-with-the-jones' and the extra space for little Billy to puke all over equals the problem now - too many of the fuckers. How they can all afford the damn things is beyond me though - I think everyone around here is either really in debt or a doctor or something lol.

Since when were Range Rovers and Jags unreliable? I wouldve thought the parts would be better...hmm...im sticking to german engineering...seriously I love the German engineering best thing theyve done. Probably only bettered by the Japanese but thats more electronical than mechanical I thinks.

I cant imagine getting 11mpg, youd spend most of your life at the fricking petrol pumps!

[woodgnome]

except that he didn't call YOU a nazi.

in fact (as far as i can recall), he's never directed so much as a single instance of even mild abuse towards any of the number on this forum who sometimes give the impression that he is personally accountable for all the (supposed) wrong-doings of his country.

...a standard of etiquette from our new world friend that deserves to be met in kind, imo.

[alec]

Bimmercat wrote:

> This really blows a huge hole in the gloom and doom rantings of
> Greenpeace and the other nature Nazis...doesn't it?
>

No it doesn't. It supports it. I suggest you read it again -

"The finding concurs with recently developed climate models, which indicate that higher carbon dioxide concentrations in the greenhouse climate of 90 to 120 million years ago resulted in warmer tropical oceans."

In what way does that contradict the idea of an ongoing anthropogenic greenhouse effect? It says more carbon dioxide = higher temperatures. Of course things changed back later, but we are talking over 100 million years here, the Cretaceous lasting from 140 million years ago to 75 million years ago. The planet may eventually recover from global warming - if climate change gets rid of humans.

Human activity increases the amount of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases such as methane, ground-level ozone, chlorfluorocarbons etc., in the atmosphere. Most absorb incoming solar and outgoing terrestrial radiation, making the atmosphere warmer. The last destroys the ozone layer which makes the lower stratosphere cooler and the surface warmer - because the ozone isn't there to absorb the radiation in the lower part of the stratosphere, thus increasing the intensity of storms by weakening the temperature inversion at the tropopause- such as, possibly, those storms which flooded cities in Texas a couple of years ago.

None of which is to say that Greenpeace never exaggerate, of course.

Here endeth the lesson.

[IdolDroog]

Well that was fucking depressing Alec thanks a lot...may as well go kill ourselves now before the lovely wuverly sunshine does it instead

[Deuce Bigolo]

Don't be so Melodramatic ID

try this one on for size
The sun won't get you but the food shortages in another 50 years most definitley will

We have finite resources which many are only just starting to realise

Deforestation = Salinity = No food production from that land

A Worldwide problem which is increasing at an alarming rate

cheers
B....OZ

[mart]

"........Greenpeace and the other nature Nazis".

I'm a member of Greenpeace so am I a "nature Nazi"?

Mart