In light of everything going on in the press about up 50,000 UK residents and sick peados accessing child porn and the police previously having access to Credit Card users who signed up to these illegal sites, turned up at their houses and arrested them. What guarantee do normal punters have when signing up to legitimate over 18 sites?
My concern is that you sign up to an adult site and unknown to you they are affiliated to something more sinister..............you get a knock on the door, your PC removed and they find nothing illegal but you have still gone through hell!!
The blunt truth is.....is it worth paying for sites full stop if you could by no fault of your own be arrested for Credit card use on a site that was not what it was meant to be.
To all site owners what are the safeguards for ordinary punters like the 99% of us who want to look at legal Adult porn?
Credit cards and porn sites.
Re: Credit cards and porn sites.
i'd think the chances of any of the big names being in any way connected to 'something more sinister' is nil. The same goes for the individual girls sites and you can probably add in any site which uses any of the recognised billing companies epoch, ccbill etc.
Re: Credit cards and porn sites.
its not just a case of your credit card being connected, they look through your credit records for transactions that actually prove you have bought services or goods etc, that are illegal, and then they investigate further and gather more evidence before the 'knock on the door stage' Otherwise a certain ex home secretary would have had a knock on her door courtesy of her husband lol
Re: Credit cards and porn sites.
cuthelx wrote:
> is it worth paying for sites full stop
> if you could by no fault of your own be arrested for Credit
> card use on a site that was not what it was meant to be.
But if the site "was not what it was meant to be" you would have acted like a responsible citizen and reported it. Unless you condone child porn.
Once you'd filed your report with the Internet Watch Foundation (who would automatically notify the police), you would then have contacted ccbill or other payment provider and reported it there, at the same time of course requesting a refund for not getting the kind of site you believed you were getting.
If the police still knocked on your door you would be able to show them evidence that you'd reported the illegal content. You could even say "I was one of the those who tipped you off about this site in the first place".
> is it worth paying for sites full stop
> if you could by no fault of your own be arrested for Credit
> card use on a site that was not what it was meant to be.
But if the site "was not what it was meant to be" you would have acted like a responsible citizen and reported it. Unless you condone child porn.
Once you'd filed your report with the Internet Watch Foundation (who would automatically notify the police), you would then have contacted ccbill or other payment provider and reported it there, at the same time of course requesting a refund for not getting the kind of site you believed you were getting.
If the police still knocked on your door you would be able to show them evidence that you'd reported the illegal content. You could even say "I was one of the those who tipped you off about this site in the first place".
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Re: Credit cards and porn sites.
If you aren't doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about. If you're worried though, then just use a prepaid card to sign up to any sites, you can buy then in most supermarkets and use them without registering your details to anyone, they're just like gift cards and infact that's what they're sold as but you pay a small premium for them.
Re: Credit cards and porn sites.
RaymondT wrote:
> If you aren't doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about.
That is unbelievably naive and flawed logic and there are real world examples that show the fallacy in that statement such as an instance of credit card fraud leading to the fraud victim's life and reputation almost being destroyed by an ultimately false accusation of purchasing indecent images. There was also a case where another man was acquitted for downloading indecent images after it was discovered that his neighbour did it using his WiFi.
> If you aren't doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about.
That is unbelievably naive and flawed logic and there are real world examples that show the fallacy in that statement such as an instance of credit card fraud leading to the fraud victim's life and reputation almost being destroyed by an ultimately false accusation of purchasing indecent images. There was also a case where another man was acquitted for downloading indecent images after it was discovered that his neighbour did it using his WiFi.
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Re: Credit cards and porn sites.
You don't even need a credit card if you know hackers can put dodgy evidence on your computer via the darknet and get someone to drop a dime on you.
Try explaining that to the police when they find it on your computer. Try convincing them even.
You dont even have to look at porn to get in trouble for it these days
Try explaining that to the police when they find it on your computer. Try convincing them even.
You dont even have to look at porn to get in trouble for it these days
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That is the worrying thing OEJ ! What Milly says is right too.........
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Re: Credit cards and porn sites.
'...you can buy then in most supermarkets and use them without registering your details to anyone, they're just like gift cards ...'
And that's why they are increasingly not acceptable to censorious governments like ours as a means of age verification for accessing porn.
And that's why they are increasingly not acceptable to censorious governments like ours as a means of age verification for accessing porn.
Re: Credit cards and porn sites.
Honestly. You've no fucking idea what you're talking about.
The 'darknet' is a tor network that masks ip addresses. Basically, it allows people in countries with domain masks (such as North Korea, Iran etc) to access content that would otherwise be restricted. It makes you anonymous, that's all it does.
There may be forums etc on the 'dark net' or tor network, but they certainly don't have a fucking button that says 'dump incriminating shit on someones pc'.
Jesus. It'd be easier to post it via royal mail.
The OP has a legitimate point, posted to the wrong place. Basically, if you sign up to a site, you have no idea what the parent company is or if any subsidiaries are breaking any laws. The odds are, due to the varying nature of laws from country to country, and a rather dubious nature of the porn business, that there will be a high chance you've associated with unlawful content.
All the law sees is that your cash goes into Company A's bank account. And Company A is breaking the law. If you get trawled in a police operation, good luck with the poor explanations put forward by the other posters. You think your work and family will stand by waiting for you to clear your name? Will they fuck.
So yes, to answer the first question, the increased risk does mean that 'paid' porn sites are declining rapidly. That, and the vast amount of free porn at a click of a button.
Paid sites are dead. 1997 is over. Myspace is shit. Nobody 'yahoos' anymore. And nobody, nobody, in there right mind hands over there credit card details to someone over the Internet to see porn and does not expect something bad to happen (although, usually, it's just random charges and credit card cloning).
The 'darknet' is a tor network that masks ip addresses. Basically, it allows people in countries with domain masks (such as North Korea, Iran etc) to access content that would otherwise be restricted. It makes you anonymous, that's all it does.
There may be forums etc on the 'dark net' or tor network, but they certainly don't have a fucking button that says 'dump incriminating shit on someones pc'.
Jesus. It'd be easier to post it via royal mail.
The OP has a legitimate point, posted to the wrong place. Basically, if you sign up to a site, you have no idea what the parent company is or if any subsidiaries are breaking any laws. The odds are, due to the varying nature of laws from country to country, and a rather dubious nature of the porn business, that there will be a high chance you've associated with unlawful content.
All the law sees is that your cash goes into Company A's bank account. And Company A is breaking the law. If you get trawled in a police operation, good luck with the poor explanations put forward by the other posters. You think your work and family will stand by waiting for you to clear your name? Will they fuck.
So yes, to answer the first question, the increased risk does mean that 'paid' porn sites are declining rapidly. That, and the vast amount of free porn at a click of a button.
Paid sites are dead. 1997 is over. Myspace is shit. Nobody 'yahoos' anymore. And nobody, nobody, in there right mind hands over there credit card details to someone over the Internet to see porn and does not expect something bad to happen (although, usually, it's just random charges and credit card cloning).