Fiona Cooper

[Hugh6821]

"What this man did is rape. The law is quite clear on this, if a girl does not give her consent to sexual intercourse then it is rape, there are no grey areas, there may be mitigating circumstances or the circumstances of the assault may make the act more or less serious, but rape is rape and this is absolutely within the definition."

First, the man is a sleazebag.

If this was rape, then the model should have reported him to the police. Why didn't she?

But then we only know the model's side of the story, actually, we don't know even that, we know her story as told by you.

For all anyone knows, this might have been a more accurate description of the events.

1. Models get hired by Sutcliffe.
2. While the model does the shoot, Sutcliffe offers more money if she does b/g with him.
3. Model agrees.
4. Model has sex with Sutcliffe.
5. Afterwards, the model deeply regrets her choice.
6. Model decides on a different story.

The model signed a release form. What did it say?


"the safest and reliable route for adult work in the UK is using recognised model sites like http://www.purpleport.com and http://www.purestorm.com"

Because those sites are not filled with predators. And since models on those sites doesn't want to give photographers bad ratings due to being afraid that they may lose work, those predators are free to roam. In most cases those photographers will get a good rating.

[IainT]

The scenario you paint is perfectly feasable and I have no doubt does happen.

Equally so is the following.

A naive girl, only 18 is sent to a solo adult shoot by what she thought was a reputable agency having told them repeatedly she has no interest in B/G...although the fact the agency was repeadly offering her B/G jobs which she repeadedly declined should have raised her suspicions.

The first couple of sets go sort of ok, although the middle aged videographer is making inappropriate suggestions and making her uncomfortable.


Then he gets his cock out, she doesn't know what to do, he tells her this was what she was booked for, she said she didn't realise that ...she is traumatised...she goes along with it.

By the next set she is a mess...he puts his cock in her, she doesn't resist.

The next set he is fine...he seems disinterested in her.

She goes home in shock. She tells her agent...who acts horrified, claiming this has never happened before. The agent says he will speak to the client and will never send a model to him again. The girl asks what she should do. The agent "sympathetically" points out that there is nothing she can do...nobody with take her seriously if she makes a complaint...she was there for an adult shoot with a pornographer...who would believe the sex was not consensual?

She thinks if this is how its going to be, I'll quit now, but then thinks, well I earned a lot...I'll have another go. After that its not so bad, but by now she is really wary and can look after herself a bit.

A while after the incident I have the girl on a shoot...I notice she is uptight and seems very wary. When she realises things will be fine, she relaxes, she volunteers this story without naming names...She is quite surprised when I immediately put a name to the rapist and the agent...

I did not say there was any safe route...I said the safest route....

[John Tyre]

Pot and kettle , not as if you not shagged a few models yourself. If the agent is Ian at WG he advises the girls fully and sorts the money out and all is agreed in advance.
Suttie at least pays the girls, not offer free accomodtion then talk about more well paid work coming up and then making a move on the girl
Nature of the biz Iain, shoot and shag and on to the next one, so stop making a big deal of it

[IainT]

Lol...You're a bit of a Knob aren't you.?

What you are writing is nonsense obviously...but even if it wasn,t are you saying that having consensual sex with someone is the same as raping or assaulting someone?

PS...if I had a tenner for every model some people claim I've shagged, I wouldn't need to shoot at all.

Water of a duck's back, mate.

[spare_leg]

Iain, Is your accusation that a sexual assault took place on a break between shooting away from the camera or that he shoots non-consensual gonzo material?

Basically is there a chance he recorded these crimes and has squirrelled away the evidence?

[IainT]

My accusations are that Philip Suttcliffe is a despicable human being who habitually bullies and sexually assaults models, there are direct accounts from his victims on my blog.

I further accuse Walpole models of sending models there in the definate knowledge that they are likely to be sexually assaulted. Their actions are beneath contempt and they are a disgrace to the many respectable people in the adult industry.

Philip Sutcliffe is a known sexual offender who has done serious prison time and been on the sexual offenders register, that is a fact, not an accusation.

[firefly]

Ian
Well done, someone has the balls to actually say what the man is like. Others condone what he does because they make money out of him.
Wonder if he was a friend of JImmy Saville both living in yorkshire in the 70' and 80'

[one eyed jack]

Youre right Iain

It has been going on for years but like a lot of things in this business, you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink

Being a member of UKAP I've been vilified over the years for the advice Ive given models. The association has been criticised for "meddling", "interfering" and more when it came to matters of health, no shows, sleazy producers, crap rates of pay and more

It was not so long ago that another poster on these forums told another poster enquiring about model rates of pay not to listen to UKAP

He had a perfectly good reason and that was because it fucked up his chance to pay ?100 to shag a girl while his tests were 3 weeks out of date and he asked if that was ok

Whats the motive for all this? Money!

As it has been sad, this particular individual has been charged and convicted on a number of occasions and I know of girls who were told but came out fine telling other girls.. There is nothing the industry can do and to be honest like the health situation, who are the industry to black list this particular company?

The only boycotting should come from the models themselves. The business at large cant force anyone out of this business because if it could FC wouldnt be the only one deemed fit to close own.

The way I see it if the police know this guys history then there simply is nothing anyone else can do but merely advise where they can

[Alex L]

OEJ , I think that there is a simple way for UKAP to deal with the situation, is it ok to email you as per your profile.

[George699]

Ian, good post, lots of reading but a couple of points. Ian at Walpole does source the girls and has been said he explains everything to them, negotiates the increased rates and spells out what is required.I have had dealings with him in the past and he was up front and honest.
Sutcliffe is bad, everyone knows it though, but the girls are pre warned by Ian, it is just greed that sends them there; they have everything explained to them.
The complaints both here and elsewhere seems to revolve around the age the girls are and for someone who has a criminal conviction he should really consider his preferences.
The photographer in Essex beyond reproach, really, has she not soot him in action with some of these girls.
When he shot B/G with some of the models they thought it would be private and that was a breach of conditions but the stuff he does is legal so no law is being broken.
One poster has accused you of shagging the models, now if that was the case taking everyone you have shoot it would mean you have done more than Paul at Bluebird and that would be silly so it was uncalled for. However I notice you have never critisised Paul , he likes young girls, I wonder why, litigation perhaps
What I am saying is that this is a business with no saints only sinners so you have to accept this