Whatever Happened To British Porn?...

[jimslip]

All in all Mr Thring, as I said, good or bad, European, Yank or Brit, it's all going down the same pan. Sure, you'll get your loud mouthed Yanks shouting, "We've never had it so good!" But of course they're lying, but that's what Yanks do!

What you forget, Herr Thring is that I used to duplicate porn in it's heyday, that is to say, when Private ruled. To be honest it was all boring, "ooh! aah! ooh! aah! Guten tag Mein Frauline, vood you be in zee mind for und DP?" shite. Sure it was was always exotic and the girls were beautiful, but they were as dull as dishwater. I'll never forget on a Private shoot after a typically dull scene, the director saying, "Don't worry, we will put the oohs! and aahs! on later !boring!

Then Buttman turned up and everything changed! Sexy, bright and alive.

If everyone agreed with you Frank, where is Private now? They're trying to make reality and doing it badly, cos they think if you put the same old Eurobabes with the Bandana brigade and wobble the camera a bit, "It's reality!" IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE!

Don't be too smug about the Eurobabe situation, I can see that changing too. The girls of today are nothing like they were even 5 years ago. Escorting will dessimate this industry and no amount of us fighting over the details of what is, "Good" or "bad" porn will make an ounce of difference.

WE NEED NEW GIRLS OF ALL NATIONALITIES.

PS "10 UK websites at random and compare them with 10 US ones !."

I can assure you there is just as much shit being churned out Stateside as there is anywhere else. They just wrap their shit up in gold wrapping to make you think it's better. They are just very good at selling!

[jimslip]

OEJ
"A lot of people in the past year or two havent made it and who are we to say they are all in the "bad" porn bracket?"

I think most of the victims are from the camp that is considered by some to be, "Good porn". But, whether something is good or bad is so subjective, its not worth arguing about. Like my "Kittens" picture, is that "Good" because it's drawn nicely? Is Banksy's stuff bad because he draws on a wall? Of course not, there is a place for everything.

[frankthring]

Well jolly Wing Commander Jimmy Slip, I don`t wish to appear like Baron
von Thring, though we will duel again mein friend with sabres, pistols or
large dildos if you wish ! That the biz needs fresh talent and lots of them
- and bemoan the loss to escorting - is something we CAN agree on !! My
final word on "St Trinibums" is that if you rewrite the script and do tech, let
poor old sod Dave Wells film it, I will happily direct it for free ! Let us old
boys show em how to make a movie ! In fact, for a moderate fee, I will
even direct it stark naked in a bath of custard blindfold while tickled by Ms
Lara Latex - and still make a better movie than Mr Ben Dover`s opus !

[jimslip]

Yes Mr Thring, I think St Trinians could be done brilliantly with a bit of imagination, decent props and lighting.

Apparently, I was considered for the part of the Headmistress, but they decided on Mr Dover. Just as well 'cos I don't think I'd make a good tranny, somehow. Not really my cup of tea!

[Masie]

Alot has been covered in this post but one of the first things that struck me was

- Sadly this level of quality, all-out dirty performers are very thin on the ground in contemporary British product - even companies like Harmony with their big budgets still have to hire-in mainly Euro and US talent for their productions - what a sad reflection on most current British performers.

I mean hell yes I am bias but I dont think there is a shortage of good 'dirty' Uk tallent its just not being used. You dont get big porn stars in Enland like you do in other courties because producers are usually only interested in shooting 'new girls' or recentyl, 'cheep girls' (as in girls who will work for little pay). Its very sad, its very very hard to keep doing this as a full time job and not jump ship to all the other avenues of income out their like web camming as once you have done your first year of work things dry up.

I will take on the argument that seems to be runnign about girls prefering to escort than drive up and down the country to work with professional studs etc - that sentence sort of suggests that tehre is no difference bettwen porn stars and prostitutes and I think there is one. I could never do escorting, I have nothing against the girls that do (apart from those who do silly things like bare back and then do porn without getting re tested) Its just not for me. I LIKE working in front of cameras I even LIKE driving hours on end to get to shoots as it gives me a lot of me time and makes me feel busy.

Look at the number of good Uk girls who have pretty much vanished through lack of being used. Where's Shay? Where's Loz, Where's Cate Harrington (ok I know she still pops up but not half as much as she used to, that girl was on fire). Ok so you might not agree with me that those girls could compeat with the typical leggy, big boob USA look but they all three are dirty as fuck, work hard and shag harder whats not to like.

I agree with alot of the things said about the Uk being in a bit of a time warp rut at the moment and its true the only people regulalry shooting at the mo tend to be older men who hav a site so they get to have sex with younger women and dont have to admit to themselves they are paying for sex. It shouldnt bethat way we could do something, I know money is shit and people arent buying how they used to (or at all) and free porn now exists but I came into pron wanting to be wowed and really Im not sure i was. I have worked for some great exceptions but I havent seen many things that have made me stop and think - wow this is what UK porn is all about.

[Dave Wells]

"Daves pal who throws money at some girls isn't the norm and he
certainly doesn't throw it in the direction of ANY girl. They
have to fit into his own, "Fantasy type" profile to get big
money."

You are havin a Giraffe Dave. If he was a friend of mine, I'd be employed ! And all they have to do is fake liking him just like an escort does !

[rexwantinsex]

Serious question to all producers here: (based on Dave's response to comments about his "friend")

I'll assume you're referring to a certain owner of a production company which has made some "big budget" films, with a well renowned shitty website??? If so.... is he REALLY the cause of the downfall of the UK adult industry???

Is one person solely responsible for taking down the porn industry in the UK from the levels it once was?? If so, I'm impressed that one person wields such power...

So, if that's the case, why did no-one else from here get in there first instead of moaning about it all??? Or is it purely jealousy from people who were beaten to the punch?

[one eyed jack]

Jim wrote:

I can assure you there is just as much shit being churned out Stateside as there is anywhere else. They just wrap their shit up in gold wrapping to make you think it's better. They are just very good at selling!

Funny you should say that. When I was in Europe I met up with another producer discussing things industry over dinner and the merits of amateur produced porn versus professional produced porn and came to the same conclusion that both used sofas and beds in nearly every scene.

The only difference was the quality of it all. The lighting and performance but it was still people shagging on a bed or sofa....Just a lot of pro porn has nice lighting and has a pool for that added production value.

I guess it all makes the difference whether you want the nice location or the council estate version LOL

In all honesty, depending on the girl getting rogered I can like them both.

[one eyed jack]

Is one person solely responsible for taking down the porn industry in the UK from the levels it once was?? If so, I'm impressed that one person wields such power...

Absolutely not! i would never give him that kind of credit. In all fairness that company are in the camp of producing "good porn" by the standards they have set.

If you want to look at who is responsible for the downfall of british porn then you will find many people have a part to play in it way beyond the producers and the models but a lot of the have ago chancers who have wasted the time booking models to not even show up. The recession, the back stabbing that goes on....A lot of stuff...The distributors ripping off their producer clients. Shops with exchanges and poor rates per unit sales etc

Daves "friend" is relatively harmless in the grand scheme of things and certainly not fair to give him the credit for ruining brit porn. If anything he was at the helm of elevating it and in some areas probably seen that way in the US. Im just amazed they stillget trashed for their website which many versions later still seems to get complaints on here.

[DiSanto]

Personally I have never known the British industry to be as busy and dynamic as it is at the moment.
We shoot every single week day. We update every single day.
As a result we make sales to our site, every single day.
We pay for the content. Shoot the content and own it 100%.
Our current policy is to shoot only British performers (or UK Based)
There is a mass of new talent coming into the business (in fact we have only had one week this year so far when we have NOT introduced a new girl to the site)
There's a pattern here. Stop looking back to those apparent halcyon days and work with the tools available.
The internet is biggest leveller around. Shoot, publish and market and rely on no one else other than yourself to do just that. Anyone who knows us is aware of the size of our set up. (nothing special there then)
We do not contract any girls so they are available for anyone to shoot.
We pay a set fee for talent so offer nothing out of the ordinary there.
It's a pretty straight forward process to be honest.
Work, create, sell and re-invest in your business.
Yes file-sharing exists. So what deal with it. Yes the DVD market in down. So what, work other markets.
On top of this we are currently in the process of re-sedigning the site and shooting a schedule of 4 high end movies over a 5 month period for Daring Media.
Are we anything special? I think not. Do a quick search on here and you will see that we are apparently pretty shite as it happens.
So I can only put it down to one thing. We work hard and actually get on with it. End of subject.
Disanto